Re: MD Clearing up this intellectual mess

From: Steve & Oxsana Marquis (marquis@nccn.net)
Date: Mon Jun 27 2005 - 22:26:43 BST

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    Part 2 of 3

    Now, what can be said about coherence at the intellect-DQ interface? If
    intellect is to remain the highest order static level and the purpose /
    drive / telos of DQ is further evolution then coherence at this level has
    got to be DQ's influence on the reorganization of intellectual static
    patterns for there is no higher static level to evolve to. This is a
    consequence of not allowing a 'spiritual' static level or some such (poor
    label I realize). Creativity and intuition is DQ 'spilling over' into the
    intellectual static level.

    With continuous sifting of intellectual patterns of value we finally arrive
    at agency. I believe how we handle agency to be the key to comprehending
    this 'intellectual mess'. Agency, that ability to choose one thing or
    another, is defined in one of my favorite Pirsig quotes (paraphrased) as
    'the ability to respond to Dynamic Quality'. Why I think this is such a gem
    is that 'respond to' implies dualism, yet DQ, if we just call it Quality, is
    the monistic Tao ineffable underlying everything, including dualism. Yes,
    an SOM dualistic perspective is necessary for agency. 'Self' awareness,
    awareness of the self as separate from the rest, is the start of the SO
    divide. And, it is this very awareness that enables recognition of agency,
    for it is the self that is the agent. This is also the birth of
    individualism.

    That said, what happens if we believe only in SOM and throw DQ out? Why, we
    end up with Existentialism, that terrible freedom of choosing, but with no
    relationship to anything, thus no potential for growth. Pirsig's statement
    keeps the two together, the contradiction of the not-one and the not-many.

    A side note: It is interesting how much SOM bashing we do; yet we use SOM
    pragmatically all the time, including the analysis to SOM bash. And SOM
    turns out to be one of the latest steps in a long chain of evolution. If we
    accept Pirsig's proposition that evolution is aimed at higher Quality, then
    SOM must be fairly high quality.

    Pirsig's version of agency resolves the free will issue, of course, which is
    very difficult to get a handle on from the SOM frame of reference alone.

    Now, if the agent can respond to DQ what static pattern that is part of this
    coherent family of static patterns we call agency is responsive? If agency
    is one epitome of intellectual evolution (no other level to evolve to
    right?) then whatever 'static' pattern we wish to associate with agency has
    got to reside in the intellectual level. The buck stops there.

    Allen wrote:
    ____________

    Intuition may be helpfuly thought of as a self organising principle within
    the static repertiore which is beyond analytical division.
    ___________

    A mouthful Allen, but I think we are saying the same thing. For evolution
    to continue at the intellectual level there has to be some connection like
    this. Yes, it has to be beyond analysis for it to interface with DQ. The
    highest quality philosophy, IMO, opens the door to mysticism.

    In my previous post I split reasoning into analytic and synthetic on more or
    less Hegelian lines and associated deduction with the former and induction
    with the later. This might be overly simplistic. I believe there is a
    four-way combination here. Nevertheless, I think we're on to something.

    Continued with Part 3

    Live Well,
    Steve

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