Re: MD MOQ in time and space

From: Michael Hamilton (thethemichael@gmail.com)
Date: Sun Jul 03 2005 - 12:19:51 BST

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    Hi everyone,

    Reinier wrote:
    > Unity-duality is not the same as one-two. Something that has no unity must have duality. You may call it multiplicity, but that can always be simplified to duality (A or not A). If in a universe there's an 'A', but nowhere in that universe at no time there's a 'not A' then people will not be able to experience A. So our experiencable universe is made up of A's that all have 'not-A's, therefor I say it's duality.
    >
    > Abolute beingness would then be only 'A', and no 'not A'. And then there would be no need to call it 'A'. Which makes it indeed the same as absolute nothingness.

    MH:
    Thanks for this explanation of your use of "duality". This might have
    been familiar to some MD-ers, but I much appreciate the clarification.
    I wanted to jump in on something else you wrote that I found very
    interesting, but I'm not sure about - this:

    Reinier wrote:
    > Somebody in need for a fire to keep his house warm may actually value it as a pile of wood. But as we value the chair, we choose to value it seperate from it's surrounding. We choose to value it as an object. We do that with everything on every level. And this is exactly where Zen 'works', we let go of valueing the experiences we have. We still experience a noice, but we no longer value it. By 'de-valueing' every single experience, or rather not judge anything, one is able to experience things more directly and more as a unite whole.

    MH:
    I never once thought of Pirsig's writings as suggesting that we should
    "de-value" our experiences. I thought that the "value-free" scientific
    materialist worldview was exactly what Pirsig was trying to combat. I
    would prefer to say that by letting go of our *attachment* to our
    habitual value-judgements, we can come to see value where before we
    were blind to it, and eventually come to see the value in everything,
    thus experiencing the unity that you speak of. Would you agree with
    this interpretation?

    Regards,
    MH

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