From: platootje@netscape.net
Date: Mon Jul 11 2005 - 09:31:42 BST
Hello Bo,
>Yes they are metaphysics, but are they intellectual patterns?
>Stone Age people surely made up theories about their reality, but
>as this was before intellect .... not intellect.
They perceived their reality, but did they make op theories? If they did then intellect started earlier then we think, if they didn't, well then they didn't.
I think they didn't.
>Descriptions come in grades. To say that the sky is blue is a
>innocent one, but to say that it is blue because a Blue God paints
>it was the social "metaphysics" description, while saying that is it
>because sunlight gets refracted by ...etc is an intellectual
>"metaphysics" description
If you replace the word 'intellectual' in your last sentence, by 'scientific' I would agree.
>Language (manipulation of symbols) can be used for all kinds of
>descriptions - intellectual ones too! But to declare symbol
>manipulation to be intellect is just not correct. Intellect is the
>value of the Description/Reality distinction ...or the Symbol/What
>is symbolized distinction
If you regard it that way then you have to conclude SOM as the intellectual level.
>Good! You sound dynamic enough to see the SOL-ution. I badly
>need a "lieutenant" ;-)
I understant some of your arguments, but still I do not agree with your statement that SO(M) IS the intellectual level. MOQ is not reality or a next level. The only real absolute reality is Quality.
>IMO Phaedrus was an individual who started from SOM's
>premises (intellect before the MOQ) and pursued them to the
>bitter end and beyond, then had the Quality insight. After that his
>premises was there. Now, all levels utilize the values under them
>for their own purposes and the MOQ definitely uses intellect for
>all it's worth so you're right ...intellectualizing isn't bad per se.
>One thing though, the MOQ is not a level, but in its relationship to
>intellect some level characteristics are apparent.
The levels are just catagories made up by one person. The whole Quality/Values idea is a very powerfull one. I feel that too much attention goes to defining levels and relationships between them.
Kind regards,
Reinier.
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