Re: MD Theism, Non-Theism, Anti-Theism, Nihilism

From: platootje@netscape.net
Date: Thu Jul 14 2005 - 19:33:42 BST

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    Hello again Ham:
    >I think this use of "God" is intended as a nominal reference. Why not make
    >"religion" the social pattern that is "mediated" [if that's the proper MoQ
    >term] by the individual's particular conception of God?

    This is exactly the point I think, one does not konw what's meant by the nominal reference 'God'. You could argue that any nominal reference is an intellectual pattern. But (and maybe I'm advocating Bo here, not sure) by intellectualizing over a'God' you sort of objectify 'God'. And objectifiable "God' is essentially not that! My point here was that there is a 'social pattern God' as well as an 'intellectual pattern God'. The first one may be called religious I guess.

    Mark:
    >However, my thinking is that such a transcendent source is
    >inaccessible to us via scientific and even philosophical
    >investigation. I think Pirsig would agree with this, which is why,
    >in ZMM, he simply states that Quality is the source, making no
    >attempt to prove it.

    But through sort of a philosophical deduction one would get to something. I totally Agree that (let's for argument sake use the G-word) God cannot be scientifically proven. My logic still says, if A exists and nowhere or at no-time not-A exists, then A can not be experienced. Here I should say 'valued' instead of 'experienced'. Because experience with no value at all leaves Unity/Essence/Dynamic Quality/God.

    Kind regards,
    Reinier.

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