Re: MD Theism, Non-Theism, Anti-Theism, Nihilism

From: hampday@earthlink.net
Date: Sat Jul 16 2005 - 05:47:01 BST

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    Greetings Matt --

    > Somebody (Arlo?) quoted Pirsig:
    > "These fill the collective consciousness of all communicating mankind.
    > Every last bit of it."
    >
    > Ham asked:
    > I have two questions concerning this statement:
    > 1) What does "collective consciousness" have to do with any of the
    > "analogues" previously quoted?
    > 2) Why did Matt Kundert insist to me that he'd never seen the term and
    had
    > no idea what it meant? (I guess Matt will have to answer that one.)

    Oops! -- Sorry, Matt. Wrong identity. After checking back through my
    Outlook Express log, I discovered that it was Paul Turner who denied knowing
    what "collective consciousness" was. Although it was the "Primary Reality"
    thread, I had alluded to the usage of this term in New Age philosophy on the
    assumption that RMP was suggesting a similar concept..

    Here's the dialogue in which "collective consciousness" was mentioned.

    Paul, 6/7/05:
    > No, although I don't know what you could mean by "collective
    > consciousness." I'm just talking about conventional recording of time
    and,
    > with respect to pre-historical evolution, the application of approved
    > radioactive dating methods.

    Ham, 6/7/05:
    > Yes, I know what a consensus means. What I asked was
    > why we need one to form a personal belief system.
    > Do YOU know what a "collective consciousness" means?

    Paul's reply, 6/9/05:
    > No.

    Paul also denied knowing its meaning in a later post to Platt which was
    deleted from my file.

    I apologize for the error, Matt. (If Paul is listening in, maybe he'll
    explain why he missed this term in ZMM.)

    Anyway, I enjoyed your exposition on Pirsig's "cultural" meaning of the
    term.

    Regards,
    Ham

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