Re: MD Collective Consciousness

From: Matt Kundert (pirsigaffliction@hotmail.com)
Date: Wed Jul 20 2005 - 20:37:17 BST

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    Arlo,

    Arlo said:
    I don't read this as "intellect is molded by social culture". I read this
    that "intellect" is an emergent construct founded entirely within the
    analogues of a culture's mythos. This may be nitpicking, but phrased the
    other way it suggests that intellect is an "objective" outside entity that
    is acted upon by social pressures.

    Matt:
    Absolutely right. That's why I've been after the social/intellectual
    distinction for some time now. I think the distinction gets Pirsig into
    trouble and is one of the things that turns him into a crypto-essentialist.
    In fact, I'd go you one further: I'm not even sure what "intellect" is that
    is an "emergent construct." I'm not sure what this "logos" is, this
    "mythos-turn-logos-though-still-mythos" as Pirsig puts it. I'm not sure
    that the creation of philosophy, which is what everyone is talking about
    with different names, logos, intellect, S/O distinction, reason, symbol
    manipulation, reflection, whatever, was as important as Pirsig, or the
    philosophical tradition as a whole, thinks it is. I think the important
    thing happening in Greece at the time was the creation of democracy. And,
    one will notice, the creation of Greek--a.k.a. _Platonic_--philosophy, to
    which we are all footnotes, was in a strong, important way, a reaction
    _against_ democracy. Plato saw the most virtuous, excellent, successful man
    who ever lived, his teacher, his master, mentor, surrogate father,
    inspiration for all, killed--and he never wanted that to be able to happen
    again. So he created the Republic. But even more, he created theory--that
    which attempts to enslave everything in its path, be it politics, knowledge,
    or art--the type of intellectualizing that Pirsig reacts against in ZMM and
    Lila.

    Matt

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