RE: MD Intellect as Consciousness (formerly Collective Consciousness)

From: Paul Turner (paul@turnerbc.co.uk)
Date: Thu Jul 21 2005 - 12:04:32 BST

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    Ham,

    I'm almost certain that this statement (below) is not from ZMM or anything
    else Pirsig has written. Looks like something Scott would say.

    >"Applied mathematics is not the same as pure mathematics, and
    >calculating is applied mathematics. I do think that mathematical
    >thinking would not have arisen without more general S/O thinking, but
    >in itself, in the act of thinking, it is not S/O."

    Ham said:
    >I think we are long overdue for an exploration of Consciousness itself --
    >not in the collective or historical sense, but as the uniquely human
    >process
    >we all depend on to convert sensory awareness into our tangible experience
    >of the physical world.
    >
    >Or, is that too much for a sometime dissenter to ask?

    Paul: No, it's not too much to ask, it just begs the question right from
    the off, i.e. you make the assumption that proprietary intellectual
    consciousness is something that is the direct result of a certain level of
    biological sophistication, that e.g. a human born into isolation or at any
    time or place in history would think and perceive the same way we do.

    Regards

    Paul

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