Re: MD Intellect as Consciousness (formerly Collective Consciousness)

From: Platt Holden (pholden@sc.rr.com)
Date: Fri Jul 22 2005 - 21:50:37 BST

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    Hi Ian,

    Ian:
    > Anyway ... your second para graph is full of thinly veiled, but
    > anonymous, crticisms of other MoQ'ers views. Would you care to
    > elaborate as to who is ..
    > "mesmerized by social pattern values, ... to many it appears we're all
    > helpless captives" ?

    Except for our mutual admiration of Pirsig, I don't see much championing
    of the individual inventor or artistic genius by the vocal segment of our
    little group, do you?

    > Where did you get this idea from "all human evolution depended on
    > unique thoughts by individuals" That little word "all" makes it
    > manifestly not true in so many ways. Your view is just too "atomic"
    > the behaviour of the whole just cannot be explained adequately only by the
    > sum of behaviours of the individuals - even though it clearly has some
    > dependence on it. Substitute "some" for "all" at least.

    With the possible exception of the barons of England and the Founding
    Fathers, I don't know of any great leaps forward in civilization that can
    be accounted for by works done by committees. And even the Founding
    Fathers needed a George Washington to make their dream of a better world
    come true.

    Especially in your field of science, great individuals stand out --
    Kepler, Galileo, Newton, Einstein, Heisenberg, Bohr, Gellman, etc.

    In the field of philosophy where would we be today without Plato,
    Aristotle, Bacon, Spinoza, Voltaire, Kant, Schopenhauer, Spencer,
    Nietzsche, Bergson, James, et al?

    In war you have the great generals -- Caesar, Attila, Washington,
    Napoleon, Nelson, Grant, Pershing, Eisenhower, Rommel, McArthur, et al.

    The same goes for any human endeavor you can think of -- religion,
    politics, sports, theater, painting, music, etc.

    Platt

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