From: Mark Steven Heyman (markheyman@infoproconsulting.com)
Date: Sat Jul 23 2005 - 04:20:08 BST
Hi Paul,
On 20 Jul 2005 at 11:06, Paul Turner wrote:
>msh 7-19-05:
>Yes. How important is it that we "understand" space and time as
>intellectual patterns, when everyone's experience of same, every day,
>is a hell-of-a-lot more concrete? I'm not denigrating Scott, Paul's, Matt's
>contributions here, as I
>greatly respect their opinions and have learned a lot from all of
>them. But my eyes tend to glaze over when I begin to detect an
>inordinate amount of angel-on-pinhead counting going on.
Paul: Thanks for your feedback on our discussion. My apologies if we are
boring you. Intellectual patterns are part of everyone's experience of
everyday concrete reality, by the way.
msh 7-22-05:
Time and space are part of everyone's everyday experience of realty;
speaking, or thinking, of time and space as "intellectual patterns"
is not. BTW, I'm anything but bored, so don't be sorry.
>The activist
>in me always wants to know how such speculation can be useful in
>ameliorating real misery experienced by real creatures in the real
>world. I know some of you extreme Buddhist's out there believe that
>misery is an illusion that can be overcome by enlightenment, but
>please indulge me.
Paul: Firstly, the term "extreme Buddhist" makes me think of a monk wearing
Billabong clothing snowboarding down Mount McKinlay!
msh 7-22-05:
LOL. Not THAT image is gonna hang with me all day.
paul 7-22-05:
Secondly, it should be obvious, but in case you weren't aware of it, writing
to this forum is not the only thing I do. What I get from this forum is an
opportunity to discuss philosophical questions at a level I don't readily
have available elsewhere. The discussions are often carried with me
positively into my dealings with the non-internet world. If you want to use
this site in a way that will proactively and directly help ameliorate real
misery experienced by real creatures in the real world I am all ears,
sincerely. I just tend to do that in different ways and in different
places.
msh 7-22-05:
I too act in the non-internet world. But, possibly because of my
technical understanding of the power of the internet, I carry my
activity onto the web as well. As commercial outlets are unavailable
to us, the internet is THE best chance progressive activists have of
getting their ideas into the world; it is an organizing tool the
likes of which has never been seen before. But this window of
opportunity is not likely to remain open forever.
As I suggested in another post, we need to understand that what we
write here is not limited to the few active members of MOQ MD. With
this in mind, I just wish that you and others would focus a small
percentage of your attention on real-world applications of the MOQ.
On the other hand, I respect your desire to seek respite here,and
will limit my entreaties to an occasional nudge.
Best,
Mark Steven Heyman (msh)
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