Re: MD RE: Population

From: ian glendinning (psybertron@gmail.com)
Date: Fri Jul 29 2005 - 02:30:51 BST

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    I have quite a simple view on this Ant.

    Population (numbers) or other factors, humans have anormous capacity
    to influence the future of the "world" (mainly the planet, for now).
    Concern about that is the main reason anyone should take anything
    seriuously IMHO.

    Until a widely held common world view takes root in the population
    about the values of that future, I don't believe any amount or
    argument about which issue(s) we should address, how, and by what
    mechanisms, has any significant value - or much chance of any agreed
    decisions and implementable outcomes. Any significant changes in the
    course of the world (other than fiddling whilst Rome burns) will arise
    from war, famine, assorted cock-ups and disasters, natural and/or
    preventable.

    For that reason my efforts are firmly directed at promoting a world
    view (a philosophy or model for how it works and what matters) against
    which arguments / decisions about what to do are worth having. This
    will require evolution, but time is short, so it will have to be
    memetic evbolution, exploiting mass communications networks (the
    church of the interactive network), and every rhetorical trick in the
    book to spread the word. About three human generations I reckon, to
    reduce old physics, old logic and old politics to history.

    This is the reason I believe a few dozen committed MoQ'ers, who hold
    in their hands a valuable model for values in a future world, should
    stop debating todays tired old politics and wars (except as
    interesting case-studies), and concentrate their efforts on setting
    the standard of decision making values for a future and an evolving
    MoQ.

    I thank you.

    Ian

    On 7/29/05, Ant McWatt <antmcwatt@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
    > In my post to Sam on July 26th 2005, I concluded that the key issue for all
    > of us on this planet is rationally deciding what elements from all the major
    > cultures we would like to use to improve our quality of life in the future.
    > Like Bill Hicks and Robert Pirsig, I think human population is going to be
    > an increasingly important issue regarding our quality of life. Our world
    > has only finite resources and a long way before it's put to the limit I can
    > see (as found in Africa already) the general quality of life deteriorating
    > severely.
    >
    > I am also highly concerned with an increasing human population about its
    > effect on the natural world e.g. the diversity of the plant and animal
    > kingdoms, the beauty of natural environment, the increase of
    > desertification, the reduction of rain forest and the melting of the polar
    > areas. In short, I think the human population on this world has to
    > dramatically decrease (rather than increase as the trend typically has been)
    > and think that poverty and ignorance are major factors underlying this
    > problem.
    >
    > What do other people think about this issue?
    >
    > Best wishes,
    >
    > Anthony.
    >
    >
    > www.robertpirsig.org
    >
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