From: Joseph Maurer (jhmau@sbcglobal.net)
Date: Wed Aug 03 2005 - 17:48:00 BST
On 25 July 2005 4:34 PM Sam writes to all:
Let me set out the question more fully:
Each level of the MoQ describes an aggregation of static patterns, static
patterns sharing a certain character. Those static patterns respond to DQ in ways that can be described
Hi Sam and all,
Those static patterns also respond in an evolutionary moral hierarchy from DQ. I have tried to imagine a hierarchy of gravity, purpose, existence, quality-consciousness. But there is no compelling reason to put them in an evolutionary hierarchy. With this concern I have grabbed a tiger by the tail! The powers that be have decreed evolution. In an evolving movement a tsunami wipes out 177,000 people at one time. I conclude that evolution from an inorganic to a sentient individual is a violent process.
As a sentient individual I can evolve further! For ordinary evolution I can't use violence because that threatens my existence. There is a difference between the PTB and an individual. Ant indicates that hypnotism can easily influence my attitudes. By being a sentient I am hypnotized to violence. As an individual I must eschew violence to become 'I'.
When I am hypnotized by culture, only different associations can break through the hypnotism. MOQ provides different associations. When the MOQ is accepted by culture, it becomes violent.
When a person posts to MD Discuss, are they violent or non-violent?
On July 25 2005 5:12 PM Mark writes to Khaled:
Folks, people in power are fanning the flames of fear by playing on
cultural prejudices. Why? So that you will allow them to pursue
their goals of military and therefore financial domination of the
world.
This is an ancient truth. It's sad, brutally sad, that we must learn
it, over and over again.
Hi Sam, Mark and all,
IMO Sam's statement of the question and Mark's observation of violence are connected. Also Ant's comments about hypnotism. Bo's question "Which Moslems, living where, wearing which masks ? War on whose behalf ?" Ian's emphasis on rhetoric focus the question on the individual. Violent forces produced evolution. I am a sentient individual, a product of that evolution. People in power act mechanically fanning flames. I mechanically respond to violence. I act mechanically, I can't withstand life's forces, they are too strong. I become identified with them, and I lose myself. I am born, I die.
[Sam] Those static patterns respond to DQ in ways that can be described.
I am a static pattern, I can respond to DQ and evolve as an individual if I work at it. I act from my psychology. Nicoll appealing to his teacher Jung declares that our psychology is what we are unaware of. Newton proposed a law for gravity, and the law becomes static not gravity. Perennial philosophy as explained by Gurdjieff proposes a law of three for every manifestation active, passive, neutral, or +, -, 0, or 1,2,3. A law of manifestation becomes static not the individual.
Perennial philosophy as described by Maurice Nicoll proposes a law of seven for the order of the hierarchy. The law becomes static not the hierarchy. As a singer I am aware of the order of the octave. Intellectual, social, organic, inorganic, reproducing, moving, mystical in a mechanical order. Higher intellectual, higher emotional, intellectual, social, moving, reproducing, mystical in an evolutionary order.
It is hard to know from what point of view consciousness-evolving, or mechanical-life a person is writing. MOQ is not life-mechanical experience. Attempts to rule life by the MOQ is violent. What is evolving is lawfully unknown.
Joe
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