From: Paul Turner (paul@turnerbc.co.uk)
Date: Tue Aug 09 2005 - 12:53:00 BST
Sam, Dave (you guys should start a band),
Sam said to DMB:
>....your emphasis on 'experience' is a problem,
>because (as I have gone into many times before) it presumes a Modernist
>epistemology (aka SOM) which I reject...
Paul: As a general response to this statement, I've been thinking a lot
about the philosophical problems with the word 'experience' with respect to
the MOQ i.e. the way it brings with it a load of SOM clichés and
assumptions, as you rightly suggest. I actually suggested to Pirsig
recently that perhaps the MOQ should avoid the term 'experience' and just
talk about static and Dynamic Quality to avoid being drawn into all the old
problems. He doesn't think this is necessary as long as it is understood
that it is being used in an MOQ context*.
If you think of Wittgenstein's definition of 'meaning' as 'use in a language
game' then I think we could learn to use 'experience' on this forum in a way
that shouldn't lead you to contest that it necessarily "presumes a Modernist
epistemology (aka SOM)."
I'll leave Dave to respond about his (Campbell's, etc) use of the term in
the context of this discussion.
Regards
Paul
* This context may need spelling out again - and its departure from the SOM
context (which you've questioned in the past) is up for debate.
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