Re: MD The MOQ in Hollywood

From: ian glendinning (psybertron@gmail.com)
Date: Mon Aug 15 2005 - 02:31:31 BST

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    Hmm. OK you win Mark. :-)
    Ian

    On 8/15/05, Mark Steven Heyman <markheyman@infoproconsulting.com> wrote:
    > Hi Ian, Ant, Sam, Horse, Davids M and H, et al,
    >
    > Ya wanna know what I think? Here's what...
    >
    > Do you Brits know how many keystrokes you waste, year after year,
    > typing words like "humour", "labour", "behaviour?" My guess is it's
    > directly related to the melting of the polar ice caps.
    >
    > And don't even get me started on the "s" rather than "z" thing.
    >
    >
    > Best,
    > Mark Steven Heyman (msh)
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    > condensed through a slow vibration, we are all one consciousness
    > experiencing itself subjectively, life is only a dream and we are the
    > imaginations of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather."
    >
    > -- Bill Hicks
    >
    >
    >
    > On 14 Aug 2005 at 14:42, ian glendinning wrote:
    >
    > Look Mark (me old mate ;-) )
    > This one's deadly serious - no joking.
    > I know you set this thread up as a challenge to Platt.
    >
    > Let me cut to the issue (for me).
    > What makes a good debate / argument / case ?
    >
    > In this case you are about to trade stereotypical (right wing)
    > Hollywood expressions of US macho dominance, with whatever left wing
    > propaganda Platt throws back at you. You're all ears, we can't wait.
    > Anyone keeping score ?
    >
    > In another thread you said - I deal in tightly reasoned logic, not ad
    > hominem attacks, and I wouldn't dispute that.
    >
    > What I would argue is than NEITHER trading stereotypical propaganda,
    > NOR tightly reasoned logic are high quality arguments for MoQ-Discuss.
    >
    > This is where I came in on MoQ-Discuss, 3 years ago ?, mainly arguing
    > with DM, DMB and Platt as I recall - that tightly reasoned logic was
    > the problem that MoQ was trying to break / fix. There are better
    > quality arguments to be had, rhetoric and humour for a start, but it's
    > the whole Zen half of the story that's missing.
    >
    > Was it Marsha or Erin who asked "Where is the Zen ?"
    >
    > For some arguments numbers and logic are the worst tools. Geddit ?
    >
    > I'll stop there for effect ;-)
    > (Either that or quote "The Cornflowers" again.)
    > Ian
    >
    >
    > On 8/13/05, Mark Steven Heyman <markheyman@infoproconsulting.com> wrote:
    > > On 13 Aug 2005 at 8:32, Platt Holden wrote:
    > > Now if you want to talk about the influence of Hollywood per Pirsig
    > > and the way directors, producers and writers slip leftist propaganda
    > > into movies, I'm all ears.
    > >
    > > msh:
    > > Ok. Gimme an example of leftist propaganda in a "Hollywood" movie.
    > > Please include quotes and references. For every example you come up
    > > with, I'll find a hundred supporting anti-labor or military jingoist
    > > bullshit like "On the Waterfront", "The Green Berets" or, more
    > > recently, "Hanoi Hilton", "Top Gun," "Red Dawn" or anything written
    > > by Tom Clancy, or just about anything starring Sylvester Stallone,
    > > Bruce Willis, Arnold Schwarzenegger.
    > >
    > > As you say, bring it on. This will be fun. I love da movies. I
    > > love books more, but movies, apparently, are more accessible to
    > > people who haven't figgered out how to get a library card.
    > >
    > > Mark Steven Heyman (msh)
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    > >
    > > -- Woody Allen
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