Re: MD WORLDS WORST APOLOGY

From: ian glendinning (psybertron@gmail.com)
Date: Tue Aug 23 2005 - 15:26:56 BST

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    Platt, go boil your head.

    That kind of despicable rhetorical trick stinks.
    To say "they aren't x" when no-one has has suggested x is a classic smear.
    How do you live with yourself ?

    Ian

    On 8/23/05, Platt Holden <pholden@sc.rr.com> wrote:
    > Ian,
    >
    > > Platt, OK so we agree the "ends" need to be part of the analysis, but
    > >
    > > (as Ant points out further on in the thread) the "means" and even the
    > > immediate reasoning in the choice of means are still not equivalent
    > > between poitically (religiously, same thing) motivated terrorists and
    > > robber / thieves / brigands. What you are being accused of Platt is
    > > simply over-simplification.
    >
    > I disagree. If you want to take the motivation route, you have to consider
    > the motivations of urban blacks who supply the context for Pirsig's
    > insights about biological forces. To consider them subhuman is immoral.
    > They aren't chimpanzees. Ever hear of the Black Panthers?
    >
    > > As for re-reading Lila-24, I am again, but again, that reading, that
    > > interpretation, depends on the memes already in our heads (mine and
    > > yours) far more than any literal truth in Pirsig's words.
    >
    > No doubt. We each bring our experience and our "intellectual glasses" to
    > our interpretations.
    >
    > Platt
    >
    > Platt
    >
    >
    > > Ian
    > >
    > > On 8/20/05, Platt Holden <pholden@sc.rr.com> wrote:
    > > > Ian,
    > > >
    > > > Yes, I know. We have to try to "understand" why they terrorize. We
    > > > shouldn't even try to the limit or destroy them. We must be "sensitive"
    > > > to their needs.
    > > >
    > > > The context for the biological "might makes right morality" statement is
    > > > "urban slums" which, unlike you, Pirsig doesn't consider to be a million
    > > > miles from prehistoric brigandage. It's the same old biological means to
    > > > attain ends, here, now.
    > > >
    > > > Wake up and read Chapter 24 with care.
    > > >
    > > > Platt
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > > Platt,
    > > > > Perfect quote from Lila again, but zero relevance as usual.
    > > > > The only thing in common is the word "terror".
    > > > >
    > > > > Their methods may be terror and violence but there is NO WAY it is
    > > > > being done from a "biological might makes right" strategy. It's more a
    > > > > "physical and bioligical weakness makes it so risky we have to resort
    > > > > to suicide" strategy.
    > > > >
    > > > > Furthermore it's also a million miles from "prehistoric brigandage".
    > > > > They are not carrying off our valuables and women folk for a start -
    > > > > they are taking lives & hostages, creating fear and spreading a
    > > > > message.
    > > > >
    > > > > Their ends do not justify their means, but at least get 'em right if
    > > > > you expect to help contribute to a solution. Wake up and smell the
    > > > > burning flesh.
    > > > >
    > > > > Ian
    > > >
    > > >
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