From: C.L. Everett (seaelle@gmail.com)
Date: Sat Aug 27 2005 - 18:07:02 BST
Platt,
You are exasperating. Frustrating. Infuriating. Is that your sole intent?
On 8/26/05, Platt Holden <pholden@sc.rr.com> wrote:
> C.L.
>
> Well, at least we know where you stand in regards to the "stuff" in the
> MOQ.
That is not what I said. What I said was:
> > . . . *or* where ever *you* keep pulling this stuff up from.
Which is not in Lila that I read. Pirsig doesn't come across as
hardcore as you try to make him out to be. He may have been in a bad
mood for a minute but chapter 24 does not sum up Pirsig for me. That
would be like saying the books of law in the Bible sum up Christianity
or even Judaism. A lot of people try to make that so. That doesn't
work. It's the whole of it, it's the art of it, the history of it ALL
of IT that makes for the REALITY of anything we might discuss. Pirsig
taught (or articulated what we already knew) that you can't chop it
all up and end up with anything. It's all connected. You can't
"other" the terrorist and survive Platt. You have to ask, like Dario,
did: How did we bring this onto ourselves.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Forever and always Pirsig is in context to his two books, not the MD
and certainly not Platt Holden's interpretations. Maybe someday that
will be different but not today. The world does not yet see Pirsig as
backdropped by anything but his own work. I do think tho, that there
are some fine illuminations of his work going on in these
forums--spotlights being shown on certain aspects of his most
excellent work, taken as a whole. And friends, his work has to be
taken as a whole, I think. Otherwise, it's like cutting off one of
his arms or legs, or maybe even his pee-pee to ignore the impossible
to be explained ZMM in your myopic focus on ch. 24. I'm going to
start calling it the Leviticus chapter.
> It's hard to believe that you would
> welcome someone into your home who you knew wanted to kill you and your
> family and consider his act as morally equal to your resistance.
>
> Platt
Platt, Platt, Platt
I never said anywhere that I would welcome anyone into my home. The
twin towers are not my home, neither is Iraq, Iran, Jordon, Israel,
Palestine, Afghanistan, Venezuela, Peru or Guatemala or even most of
the entire continent of North America. All those places BELONG to
other people, some who have agreements with one another to live in
certain ways, other who do not. It's not my business. My city
council raising my (non-drinkable) water bill $5 bucks a month--now,
that's my business.
Do you live in any of those places? There's a key point here Platt:
Just what exactly is the second gulf war defending? I was in the
military, my friend. I know what it is defending, and it ain't your
way of life--it ain't even the American Way of life, whatever that is.
That's what the rubes think, tho. And a lot of the fodder that being
tossed at it from all sides.
(I always thought how much more effective the US military would be if
it focused on protecting its own threshold, what I would call the
doorway to my own home. I'm happy to defend that, Platt. Is that
what you mean? Not a problem. Have shotgun. Will defend. I am not
at all in fear of a hijacked plane targeting my house. Perhaps the US
thinks its threshold has no borders? Perhaps that's the problem, not
the "terrorist".)
+++++++++++++++
And finally, Platt,
The cutting edge, where dynamic quality truly lives, on the front edge
of the train is the PROGRESSIVE, not the regressive of our world.
Riding on that train of the NEW, the what is yet to come, are the
punks and the ravers and the hackers and the queers and the Pirsig's
of the new generations. They all just got here and they're going to
do what they want, just like you and I did. Thousands of young men
and women are no longer drawing the lines in the sand that you or I
have drawn.
For example, being bisexual and/or "queer" is a reality for many of
our youth, not an orientation, not a choice, it is who our culture has
evoved them to be. They are as bisexual, transsexual and every other
kind of sexual as you are heterosexual and you're not going to stop
them by wagging your finger at them. You didn't stop abortion in the
60s--the morning after pill is about to be sold over the counter
without a prescription (we are a drug culture after all).
They are some of the modern day Brujos. Like it or not, as Rene
Richards was in her day.
Some of them will try to bring some of what they value of the past
with them, some of the "classical" of the world as we've known it but
many, most I'm guessing, will leave much behind as they go on to live
in a much faster paced, blended global landscape I don't think you are
able (or willing) to fathom. Do you really want them to take grandpa's
anger, bitterness, hatred and prejudices with them? What Quality good
will it do them? That is, after all the story of the Middle East,
generations of grudges.
I know you don't, not really, not in your heart. You're a guy who
reads and thinks but this 911 thing's really got you stuck in a rut.
Let it go. It's ancient history. Maybe you can get back to showing
what I and others have missed in the MOQ that is positive and
life-affirming? Try not to look at politics for a while. Look at the
MOQ instead. Come on, old man, teach me something good before I walk
away in disgust.
C.L.
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