Re: MD Consciousness/MOQ, definition of

From: David Zentgraf (deceze@gmail.com)
Date: Fri Sep 02 2005 - 01:31:47 BST

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    Hi Scott, all,

    good to see I'm not the only one missing this point. So at least it
    seems I did understand the MOQ correctly so far.

    But as far as I can see, without being able to provide an answer to
    these questions the MOQ is not (yet) the ultimate answer to
    everything and merely represents another, though perfectly valid,
    subset of a bigger picture. Or is that all it set out to do in the
    first place?

    > "In other words, consciousness did not arise at some point in time,
    > and the idea that consciousness is a consequence of the nervous system
    > reaching some level of complexity is just a materialist error."

    Interesting, would you mind going into details about that for me? The
    "complexity theory" at least provides some handle on the issue for
    me. Any alternative suggestions?

    Chrs,
    Dav

    On 2005/09/02, at 6:30, Scott Roberts wrote:

    > Dav,
    >
    > This has long been one of my complaints about the MOQ. The
    > questions of
    > consciousness and how thoughts arise are simply not addressed. It
    > could be
    > argued that in LILA, Pirsig had other fish to fry, in particular
    > giving an
    > account of morality, and it makes sense that in the space of that
    > book there
    > would be metaphysical issues he would have to leave out. But as far
    > as I can
    > see there is little way to use what is in the MOQ to address the
    > questions
    > you raise.
    >
    > My own view (which is not generally accepted here) is that to speak
    > of value
    > is to speak of consciousness (awareness of value). Since, according
    > to the
    > MOQ, there is value at all levels, so must there be consciousness
    > at all
    > levels. In other words, consciousness did not arise at some point
    > in time,
    > and the idea that consciousness is a consequence of the nervous system
    > reaching some level of complexity is just a materialist error.
    >
    > - Scott

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