From: platootje@netscape.net
Date: Sun Sep 04 2005 - 15:44:40 BST
>[Reinier replied]
> I think DQ is unity, which rules out chaos. SQ might well be order, but
>also chaos is SQ. As for the labels Yin and Yang... well they've been used
>in so many ways, Im not sure can relate them to DQ and SQ.
>
>[Case responds]
>I believe you are confusing Dynamic Quality with Quality itself.
Reinier:
I don't know if confusing is the right word. I never understood the D of DQ as referring to something like 'moving', 'changing' or 'non-stable'. I always thought it meant full of potential to become anything but not defined in anyway. To me this is indeed Quality itself. Adding dynamic only serves the purpose of clearly distinguishing it from static quality. Static quality is the part of quality that has been judged/valued. When we stop judging/valueing it becomes dynamic again.
Case quotes pirsig reading the Tao Te Ching:
He read:
>
>The quality that can be defined is not the Absolute Quality.
>
>That was what he had said.
>
>The names that can be given it are not Absolute names.
>
>It is the origin of heaven and earth.
>
>When named it is the mother of all things -- .
>
>Exactly."
And he goes on quoting:
>Also, in notes at the end of Anthony McWatts's thesis there is this:
>
>Is Quality more similar too:
>a. Whitehead's Process Philosophy,
>b. the Tao, or;
>c.Plotinus' One?
>
>Pirsig: The tao
>
>It is true that Pirsig does not specifically refer to Yin and Yang. But the
>very names he gives to the two aspects of quality suggest he has something
>similar in mind.
>From: www.dictionary.com I got this:
>Dynamic:
> 1.. .
> 1.. Of or relating to energy or to objects in motion.
> 2.. Of or relating to the study of dynamics.
> 2.. Characterized by continuous change, activity, or progress: a dynamic
>market.
> 3.. Marked by intensity and vigor; forceful. See Synonyms at active.
> 4.. Of or relating to variation of intensity, as in musical sound.
>Static:
>1.
> 1.. Having no motion; being at rest; quiescent.
> 2.. Fixed; stationary.
> 1.. Physics. Of or relating to bodies at rest or forces that balance each
>other.
> 2.. Electricity. Of, relating to, or producing stationary charges;
>electrostatic.
> 3.. Of, relating to, or produced by random radio noise.
Nice quotes, I don't have any. Here's my personal 2 cents:
Take quality as a starting point, when people experience quality the nomination of that experience is a static pattern of quality, or static quality. This is SQ is created by the act of nominating the experience (not perse in words but in anyway that an experience can be labeled). So SQ is by no means absolute. All that's not experienced and nominated (or judged/valued) is dynamic quality. Now the 'amount' of DQ doesn't become less when parts of it are being experienced and thus become SQ, because SQ is not absolute but relative (it relates to the experience).
>[Case said]
>You aren't the only offender here but I just have to point out that while SQ
>may be boring DQ can ruin your whole week. Just ask anyone in New Orleans if
>DQ has value or if SQ would result from assigning a value to it.
>
>[Reinier replied]
> I can't follow you here. Please elaborate...
>
>Sure. The earth is at one level of SQ. The atmosphere above it is at a
>relatively more dynamic level. When the atmosphere becomes dynamic enough
>to disrupt the static patterns on the ground, folks on the ground find this
>increase in atmospheric DQ negative. People in New Orleans at this time
>especially so.
I don't think the use of dynamic quality in this context is correct. Everything the people in that Area sadly experience is SQ of low value.
>Reinier said:]
>There is no interaction between dynamic and static there's only valueing.
>
>[Case breaks out the Head Shoulders]
>Huh? So the ultimate authority on life, the universe and everything is my
>insurance agent?
>
>[Reinier replied]
>No, it's your ego
>
>[Case laughs]
>I have been married so long it is refreshing to hear that someone thinks I
>have any ego left.
If you can no longer seperate your own identity from that of your wife you may have a point... I have the feeling you're not that far yet.
Best regards,
Reinier.
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