Re: MD Intellectuals and Collectives

From: Arlo J. Bensinger (ajb102@psu.edu)
Date: Sun Sep 11 2005 - 15:14:01 BST

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    [Platt wrote to Wim in the Katrina thread]
    > A collective is a concept and can do nothing. Individuals like you, me,
    > members of our families, neighbors, etc. etc. are physical and do
    > everything.

    [Arlo]
    Not according to Pirsig's evolutionary MOQ.

    "A metaphysics of substance makes us think that all evolution stops with the
    highest evolved substance, the physical body of man. It makes us think that
    cities and societies and thought structures are all subordinate creations of
    this physical body of man. But it's as foolish to think of a city or a society
    as created by human bodies as it is to think of human bodies as a creation of
    the cells, or to think of cells as created by protein and DNA molecules, or to
    think of DNA as created by carbon and other inorganic atoms. If you follow that
    fallacy long enough you come out with the conclusion that individual electrons
    contain the intelligence needed to build New York City all by themselves.
    Absurd."

    "Biological man does not create his society any more than soil "creates" a tree.
    The pattern of the tree is dependent upon the minerals in the soil and would
    die without them, but the tree's pattern is not created by the soil's chemical
    pattern. It is hostile to the soil's chemical pattern. It "exploits" the soil,
    "devours" the soil for its own purposes, just as the cat devours the catfood
    for its own purposes. In this manner biological man is exploited and devoured
    by social patterns that are essentially hostile to his biological values."

    To counter your charge that Pirsig is using "man" in the collective and
    glorifying the individual "man" who held the hammer:

    "There isn't any "man" independent of the patterns. Man is the patterns.

    "The metaphysics of substance makes it difficult to see the Giant. It makes it
    customary to think of a city like New York as a "work of man," but what man
    invented it? What group of men invented it? Who sat around and thought up how
    it should all go together?"

    This fictitious "man" has many synonyms: "mankind," "people," "the public," and
    even such pronouns as "I," "he," and "they." Our language is so organized
    around them and they are so convenient to use it is impossible to get rid of
    them. There is really no need to. Like "substance" they can be used as long as
    it is remembered that they're terms for collections of patterns and not some
    independent primary reality of their own."

    Finally, that Pirsig's evolutionary (and emergent) hierarchy places emphasis on
    the collective-to-individual between stages:

    "So here was this Giant, this nameless, faceless system (social level patterns)
    reaching for him (Pirsig, the individual), ready to devour him and digest him.
    It would use his energy (Pirsig, the individual) to grow stronger and stronger
    throughout his life while he grew older and weaker until, when he was no longer
    of much use, it (social pattern) would excrete him and find another younger
    person full of energy to take his place and do the same thing all over again."

    Collectives of biological individuals give rise to social level "individuals",
    as a tree from soil. Collectives of social level "individuals" give rise to
    Intellectual level "individuals", as a tree from soil.

    What are individuals at each level? On the biological level it would be the
    collective of cells we call the human body. On the social level it would be The
    Giant according to Pirsig (here is one area where I disagree with him, I'd say
    rather communicating "individuals" in a social semiotic milieu, and that the
    social level edifices such as cities and towns are material artifacts of social
    level activity). On the Intellectual level, Pirsig would say a "individual
    intellectual pattern" would be "science" or "freedom" or "math".

    Arlo

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