Re: MD getting 'it'

From: Scott Roberts (jse885@cox.net)
Date: Tue Sep 13 2005 - 19:16:08 BST

  • Next message: hampday@earthlink.net: "Re: MD Consciousness/MOQ, definition of"

    Ian,

    I just sent off a message to you on contradictory identity, and in it
    mentioned difficulty in explaining "how" DQ is SQ. But this gives me an
    opportunity:

    Ian said:
    (2) Barfield's Actus v Potentia. I can't honestly recall if I've ever
    made the explicit(actual = static, potential = dynamic) analogy,
    though I guess it's the general feeling one gets from seeing the
    Pirsigian parallels in Barfield.

    Scott:
    But one can also say that potential = static and dynamic = actual. Isn't the
    supposed "pure experience" actuality of a static pattern existing in
    potentia? The thing is, both make sense, but contradict each other.

    And while I'm at it, I can't resist....

    Ian said:
    (1) Language and Narrative. Oh boy yes. Mark (Maxwell) picked up on
    that in the threads on defining the static & dynamic aspects of
    intellect, and it's becoming centre stage in discussion with Sam about
    (a) God and (b) the distinction between levels 3 & 4. I think the
    thing to bear in mind is not to let the whole thing degenerate into
    some nihilistic it's all "merely" language outlook - just accept that
    "on some level" it is indeed all language. ie it's a good thing too -
    all shared meaning relies on narrative, and all interpretation of
    experience (even experience that was once "immediate") probably relies
    on it too. Pragmatically therefore experience and language are as you
    say largely "inseperable".

    Scott:
    All this gets readily resolved if one replaces "some nihilistic it's all
    "merely" language outlook" with "it all *really is* language at all
    levels -- no 'merely' about it". But that requires getting over one's
    physicalism to appreciate :-)

    - Scott

    MOQ.ORG - http://www.moq.org
    Mail Archives:
    Aug '98 - Oct '02 - http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/
    Nov '02 Onward - http://www.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/summary.html
    MD Queries - horse@darkstar.uk.net

    To unsubscribe from moq_discuss follow the instructions at:
    http://www.moq.org/md/subscribe.html

    This archive was generated by hypermail 2.1.5 : Tue Sep 13 2005 - 20:28:36 BST