Re: MD The intelligence fallacy (was Rhetoric)

From: hampday@earthlink.net
Date: Wed Sep 14 2005 - 04:32:02 BST

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    Jos --

    > In context then, I am saying that Chaos is the same as
    > essence and there is no experience there at all,
    > being proprietary only to static patterns (Ham?).
    > Inorganic patterns have experience but no
    > knowing, biological patterns have experience and
    > knowing but draw no conlusions, cultures have
    > experience, knowing and draw conclusions and only
    > intellectual patterns set out to change themselves.

    Since your MoQ analysis seems to have been given some credence here, may I
    ask a few questions?

    1. If Essence is chaos, where does order and systemization come from?

    2. When you say "[experience] being proprietary only to static patterns",
    can you define the static patterns it is proprietary to? (As you placed my
    name with a question mark after it, I assume it refers to human experience.)

    3. Experience without "knowing" is incomprehensible to me. Is it supposed
    to mean unconscious experience, experience without awareness of it, or
    actions of inorganic objects that only behave as if they experience?

    4. When you say "cultures have experience" do you mean that they draw from
    the experience of their constituents (individuals), or that the culture
    itself (as a collective) experiences?

    Thanks Jos,
    Ham

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