From: skutvik@online.no
Date: Wed Sep 14 2005 - 10:30:06 BST
Hi Platt
12 Sep. you said:
> Hi Bo, Jos, All:
> Since the beginning of the MD there's been lots of references to
> experience, awareness, sensation, perception, feeling, consciousness,
> etc. -- words that as far as I know have never been agreed upon as to
> their meaning. Something the individuals in this group might
> constructively do would be to agree on the precise meaning of such
> terms. By doing so, better mutual understanding would likely result.
> I'll start by defining "pure experience" as Pirsig does:"The
> Metaphysics of Quality says pure experience is value. Experience which
> is not valued is not experienced. The two are the same." (Lila, 29)
> The question for all is: Shall we accept the definition of
> "experience" the same as Pirsig's definition of "pure experience,
> i.e., "experience is value?" I vote Yes.
About Value being the ground-stuff of reality (Quality=Reality)
there can be no question (if one finds the MOQ of value!) so that
is granted.
Regarding awareness or consciousness I notice that there is a
debate going on and that some stresses awareness/
consciousness as reality's ground, but haven't understood that if
so: Go ahead construct a Metaphysics of Consciousness and -
voila! - it's the MOQ in a different guise.
About sensation and emotion I see these terms useful in showing
how Quality "expresses" itself at the biological and social levels,
but they are not meant to replace Quality.
Jos had said the following (I guess it's what provoked your
response?)
> > Firstly, I admit that I lazily drift between, awareness and
> > perception, and thus far have meant the same thing by both,
> > consciousness is different however, and in my scheme has been
> > restricted to biological awareness. Back to dictionaries though, and
> > according to Wikipedia, awareness includes no interpretation, but
> > perception does, consciousness is different again, and all
> > definitions seem to start specifically on self awareness. I will
> > re-think the way I have been using these words to make it clearer
> > what I mean.
Jos and I have arrived at a similar view of emotions as social and
his "drift between awareness and perception" pertains to
emotions as the "subjective" part that keeps the "objective" social
structure together. This does not mean a return of the S/O
Metaphysics, only applying intellect's S/O as a useful tool. What
he says about consciousness is important though and I will
comment it in a separate post to him.
Bo
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