From: Case (Case@iSpots.com)
Date: Sun Sep 25 2005 - 22:03:32 BST
[Case]
Well said. I would only add to your list:
America in Korea
America in Vietnam
Russian in Afganistan
Kinda of like living in Bizaaro World isn't it. "That sound like really BAD
idea. Let's do it!"
> Ah, we finally enter the Sacred Ground.
>
> OUR INTERESTS has been the operative word for a while.
> Before the last election, on the official Republican web site they had
> the photo of Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam. Here was the text from
> next to the photo of Donald Rumsfeld biography.
>
> "The most celebrated of these services was his tenure as Middle East
> envoy for President Ronald Reagan. By 1983, a war between Iraq and Iran
> had been waging for three years. Iraq had initially made significant
> progress into Iranian territory but was pushed back on the defensive in
> 1982 as Iranian troops pushed towards Basra, Iraq's second largest city.
> An Iranian victory would have been counter to U.S. interests as it would
> destabilize the Gulf region and threaten Saudi Arabia, and hence U.S. oil
> supplies. The previously neutral United States decided to act. So in
> December 1983, Donald Rumsfeld met with Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein and
> reopened relations between the United States and Iraq that hadn't existed
> since 1967."
>
> Our interests at any cost.
> Arlo you make the point of other countries' intrests. China's, India's
> and so on.
>
> We fail to see that.
>
> But you are right, we tend to see ourselves as the chosen ones. Well I
> hate to disappoint the neocons and their buddies that running empires
> costs money, requires personnels and diplomacy and intelligence along
> with brute power.
>
> Napoleon in Waterloo
> Hitler in Saint Petersburg
> England in India
> France in Algiers
> America in Iraq
>
> History, those who fail to read it and understand it, will repeat it.
>
>
>
>> [Platt]
>> It's part of the survival thing.
>>
>> [Arlo]
>> And so we see how quickly the so-called "free market" erodes in
>> favor of American Need. I wonder Platt supports OTHER nations using
> their
>> military to force US to sell to them in ways that benefit them?
>>
>> If we can claim "it's part of the survival thing", I'm sure he
>> supports them claiming too...
>
> Arlo
>> Unless this is another "only America has the Great and Glorious
>> Right To Do So"...
>
>
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