Re: MD Any help

From: david buchanan (dmbuchanan@hotmail.com)
Date: Sun Oct 09 2005 - 20:43:23 BST

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    Marsha, NewGuy and all interested MOQers:

    dmb says:
    I'd like to offer some help with the levels, newguy. Rather than talk about
    medical ethics, however, I'd like to juggle things a bit and use Platt's
    reactionary reaction in the "Home" thread. It seems like it might be useful
    as a "real life" application of Pirsig's social/intellectual distinction. It
    would take about one minute to investigate the web site that tickled Marsha
    (and me), but that's probably not even necessary. I think we all understand
    that American conservatives tend to view the UN, international laws against
    things like genocide, pollution and torture, or anything that has to do with
    global justice with great contempt. As usual, Platt is the perfect parrot,
    um, I mean spokesman for the conservative cause...

    pholden reacted to the notion that the earth is one home for all people:
    "Definitely one to ignore as pure propaganda from the fear mongers on the
    far left to justify their belief that we have to "get along" with
    terrorists. ...Remember: America's enemies are enemies of the free world and
    the intellectual moral level."

    dmb says:
    Although there is a weak attempt to dress up this attitude in Pirsig's
    terms, to glorify it as the most moral and most evolved cause, the briefest
    of inspections will show that it is quite the opposite. With voices like
    this around, its no wonder there is so much confusion about this issue. Its
    only natural that you would have questions, new guy.

    What we're really looking at in this anti-Global attitude is a
    quasi-religious, mythic conception of the United States wherein "we" are
    always on the side of God and Freedom and our enemies are always on the side
    of Evil and Tyranny. What we see here is a weak attempt to make an
    intellectual case for some rather common nativist prejudices. They're social
    level values dressed up in some ill-fitting costume. I would very nearly
    insist that you take another look at the 22nd chapter of Lila, where the
    conflict between social and intellectual values is explained in terms of
    20th century political conflicts. Things have not changed so much. The
    conflict between fascism and democratic values still marches on. I'd agree
    that today's Islamic Fundamentalists are comparable to the fascists of WWII
    insofar as they are both, anti-Modern and anti-intellectual, but I'd point
    out that today's Christan Fundamentalists are also comparable to those
    fascists. No religion is required, exactly. All it takes is that mythic
    nationalism, that narrow view that me and mine are right with God and
    everybody else is somehow inferior or unworthy. But from an intellectual
    perspective, watching George fight Osama over who's got the better God is
    like watching twin brothers fight over who's got a tougher Dad. It would be
    funny if it didn't cost so many lives and limbs and thousands of millions of
    dollars. That's happening in the real world, and I that seeing it as a
    conflict of values is quite helpful in getting at the heart of the conflict.
    Otherwise, there are only surface changes and the same conflict will
    re-emerge in a new costume. And speaking of fascism, its interesting that
    Platt should use the word to describe an openly political site even while
    parroting the propaganda produced by the warmongers he's defending. One does
    not need to search very far to support this contention. Entire books have
    been written about this well-oiled machine and its in today's paper...

    "...Federal auditors from the Government Accountability Office declared that
    the administration had violated the law against 'covert propaganda' when it
    repeatedly hired fake reporters (and one supposedly real pundit, Armstrong
    Williams) to plug its policies in faux news reports and editorial commentary
    produced at taxpayers' expense. " Frank Rich, New York Times OP-ED page.

    dmb continues:
    This administration's penchant for propaganda is consistant with the social
    level's quasi-mythic thinking. The belief system needs to be protected
    against the forces of Modernity and this results in a generalized
    anti-intellectual stance toward just about everything. Facts are not allowed
    to get in the way, so that global warming becomes a controversail opinion,
    evolution is just a theory, we could still find those WMD, the rich need a
    tax cut and Jesus only turns the other cheek when he's reaching around to
    grab another can of whoop-ass. (Apologies to the robbed comedian.) The
    social level reactionary forces, whether they be yesterday's Spanish
    fascists or today's Islamic fascists, there is this strong tendency to
    insulate their beliefs from the facts and to propagate simple messages
    through repitition, to create the reality that they'd perfer to live in
    through a kind of narrow-minded self hypnosis. That's why they run their
    campaigns on emotional social issues and use smear-the-other-guy tactics
    rather than defend anything that resembles an idea or a principle. For them
    "rights" mean MY rights, not those crazy foriegners, and freedom's just
    another word for MY way of life, not theirs. We even hear radio preachers
    say Islam is a Satanic religion. Oh, please. It usually involves a rather
    grandiose vision of "me and mine" and tends to insulates itself from any
    perspectives that might challenge this national and/or racial supremacy,
    this mythic beleif in the inherent superiority of one's own tribe, religion,
    gang, party or some other sectarian group. Its always rather unprincipled in
    this respect.

    "The best way to get the news is from objective sources, and the most
    objective sources I have are people on my staff who tell me what's happening
    in the world." President Bush to Brit Hume on Fox News. (According to Rich.)

    dmb continues:
    This is a hilarious one-liner, but I did not include it just to get a laugh.
    It reaveals that insulated mind-set so beautifully, don't you think?
    Imagine a little boy who tells you that none of the girls at school think
    he's cool, but it doesn't matter because his coolness is measured by a more
    objective standard, his mom. Now imagine that little boy is in charge of a
    global empire and the largest armies in history. The fact that he's talking
    about objectivity on Fox news is more than enough already, but to then
    assert, with a straight face, that his loyal staff gives it to him like it
    really is. Again, it would be funny if it weren't so deadly...

    "The truth only began to penetrate four days after the storm's arrival
    (Hurricane Katrina) - and only then, according to Newsweek, because an
    adviser, Dan Bartlett, asked the president to turn away from his usual
    'objective sources' and instead watch a DVD compilation of actual evening
    news reports." Rich in the same OP-ED piece.

    dmb concludes:
    I'll remind you that the men in charge of Homeland Security and FEMA were
    equally oblivious, as they both revealed on national news. I'll remind you
    that we are not just talking about normal, everyday ignorance. We're all
    guilty of that to some degree or another. No. Here we are talking about
    people who are responsible for getting all the facts, people who are paid to
    know what's going on and then do something about it. We're talking about
    willful ignorance at the highest levels of responsibility, who are charged
    with handling matters of life and death. And they don't even know what's on
    the evening news. This is criminal negligence. Its lethal cluelessness. And
    this is just one of the most spectacular examples of how these people think
    and operate. I'm sure there must be thousands of smaller, less deadly,
    relatively un-noticed examples of this anti-intellectaul and sometimes
    downright delusional perspective and thousands of examples of the smaller
    cruelties that always seem to flow from them.

    If I may summarize my central assertions; Most of the political conflicts
    for the last century or so can be explained as a conflict between the newer
    intellectual level, which seeks to control society, and the social level
    forces that view this evolutionary process as a threat. There are many
    manifestations of this reactionary impulse because it is an unprincipled
    attempt to preserve one's tradition and those traditions vary so widely.
    Japanese fascist is going to look different that Italian fascism simply
    becasue the Japanese are not Italian. The Japanese fascists are not
    interested in defending Italian culture, ressurecting the glory Rome or
    preserving Catholicism. They have their own culture, glory and religion to
    preserve, so their brand of fascism will take on a different shape.
    Likewise, when fascism in America will be very, very American. It'll talk
    about freedom and democracy, but it will do so in a quasi-mythic and
    unprincipled way. The war, for example, is said to be about spreading
    democracy and ending tyranny, but those are precisely the principles that
    were violated in prosecuting the war and the UN has had to tell the Iraqis
    the Americans are tampering with democracy in Iraq to elect their favorite
    guy and that free and fair elections are not going to happen until the
    American vote-riggers are excluded from the process. It'll talk about
    freedom and justice and rights even while it stomps on the Geneva
    conventions and pisses on the Koran. And then it'll award the stompers and
    the pissers with medals and more power.

    Can you tell that I'm a little upset about this, new guy? Its not your
    questions that upset me, its the answers.

    Maybe I should have taken up the medical ethics case instead. But as I view
    things, the political debates about that issue are a sub-set of this larger
    conflict between the levels. It'll break down in pretty much the same way,
    with some people taking sides with the biological sciences and/or human
    rights and some people taking sides with traditional morality in various
    ways.

    Thanks.
    dmb

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