Re: MD Cooperation, Profit and Some Thoughts

From: gav (gav_gc@yahoo.com.au)
Date: Mon Oct 10 2005 - 14:28:48 BST

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    nice one arlo.
    perhaps quality is its own reward.

    --- "Arlo J. Bensinger" <ajb102@psu.edu> wrote:

    > There are those among us who have long contended
    > that enriching the self, either
    > with symbolic (power) or financial capital, is the
    > groundstuff of the human
    > condition, the unquestionable market force that
    > drives Quality.
    >
    > Platt provided again, in another post, the Pirsig
    > quotion of man's cooperative
    > nature being a "devastating fiction". This got me
    > thinking...
    >
    > What was it that drove the publication of ZMM, and
    > got the whole MOQ process
    > underway?
    >
    > In the afterwards to ZMM, Pirsig had stated "Writing
    > it seemed to have higher
    > quality than not writing it, that was all." But what
    > was the nature of that
    > Quality that writing it met?
    >
    > If it self-enrichment in one's understanding of the
    > world, a fine and valuable
    > self-full goal, then Pirsig could have stopped with
    > his own personal
    > understanding, and not proceeded with the effort to
    > print and publish. In
    > short, his enrichment was met, why continue with
    > authorship and publication?
    >
    > Was it to seek profit? If the "conservatives" are
    > correct, that this is the High
    > Noble Goal That Drives All Man's Actions, then
    > perhaps this was it? But Pirsig
    > also states in the afterwards, "Back then, after 121
    > others had turned this
    > book down, one lone editor offered a standard $3,000
    > advance. He said the book
    > forced him to decide what he was in publishing for,
    > and added that although
    > this was almost certainly the last payment, I
    > shouldn’t be discouraged. Money
    > wasn’t the point with a book like this. That was
    > true."
    >
    > "That was true." This seems to indicate that had
    > Pirsig never received another
    > dime in royalties, he would still see the
    > publication and authorship as High
    > Quality.
    >
    > So, if Pirsig's Quality in writing and publishing
    > was not financial capital, was
    > it celebrity? Fame? And the symbolic capital (power)
    > that comes with it? Pirsig
    > talked a lot about celebrity in Lila, and it comes
    > across strongly that even
    > then he was shying from celebrity, and now he lives
    > in somewhat seclusion when
    > his celebrity would afford such riches. No, I don't
    > think he wrote it to attain
    > celebrity for himself.
    >
    > Was it for posterity-fame? Was it to go down in the
    > history books as "this" or
    > "that"? If this were the case, I'd think he'd be
    > more involved in the ongoing
    > development of the theory.
    >
    > But if he went though all that trouble of writing,
    > and then all the effort of
    > attemtping to publish, and he was not motivated by
    > money or celebrity, and he
    > had already achieved the self-full goal of personal
    > enrichment that comes with
    > knowledge.... what then?
    >
    > So what Quality did writing and publishing fulfill?
    > What was "the point of a
    > book like this"?
    >
    > I offer-- to contribute to the betterment of others.
    > That's the only reason that
    > seems to make sense to me. Although we've rewarded
    > him (financially) for his
    > authorship and ideas, this financial reward seemed
    > to play *no part* in guiding
    > Pirsig's decision to author/publish. Indeed, he
    > seemed to indicate he would
    > have done so even he was told upfront he would
    > receive no financial rewards.
    > Although we've made him into a reluctant celebrity,
    > he shuns this role, and
    > from what I know has never "cashed in" the symbolic
    > capital that this celebrity
    > brought. Likely, if he was assured upfront that he
    > would have lived out his
    > life in obscurity, he would still have chosen to
    > author/publish.
    >
    > The Quality that Pirsig's writing met was that he
    > brought new understanding and
    > insight into the social/intellectuals domains, so as
    > to improve, or contribute
    > to, intellectual evolution. This is, to me, the
    > foundation for an argument that
    > places social and intellectual evolution on social
    > cooperation and the
    > self-less (in the financial/symbolic capital sense)
    > activity guided by a
    > Quality higher than personal financial wealth,
    > namely the enrichment of the
    > social/intellectual levels for all.
    >
    > In short, if people were really "just in it for
    > themselves", why do we have ZMM?
    > What Quality did writing it serve? Pirsig has
    > proved, through his actions, that
    > there are Greater Goods than personal wealth and
    > fame, and that it is to
    > contribute to the
    > betterment/advacement/enrichment/evolution of
    > culture is what
    > guides High Quality lives.
    >
    > Arlo
    >
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