From: Matt Kundert (pirsigaffliction@hotmail.com)
Date: Tue Oct 11 2005 - 17:33:17 BST
Ian,
Ian said:
When you say Matt (of DMB) "It boggles my mind to think that one can have
value at the heart of it all without valuing."
Is this not just terminology again. DMB is using valuing / judging as
post-immediate-experience intellectual processes, but he is using value as
the more immediate experience before any active valuing.
Actively (dynamically) experienced value, not actively valued value.
Matt:
No, I don't think this is a verbal difference, this is a real difference.
I'm not sure what "value" is supposed to be before "valuing." Valuing
certainly does connote "active," which is just my problem with cutting a
distinction between value and valuing. I thought part of Pirsig's point was
to show us that we are actively involved with reality, not passive receptors
to it (as the British empiricist tradition said). And its not only this
passive/active distinction I don't like. If you cut "value" off from
"valuing," the only thing I can imagine "value" to be, apart from all the
"valuings," is value-in-itself. This is a move I saw before with my
conversation with Paul back at the beginning of the year. I don't know what
value-in-itself is supposed to do. And judging from Paul's most recent
writings in the past few months, I'm not sure even he wants any truck with
the notion anymore (in this context at least).
Matt
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