From: Platt Holden (pholden@sc.rr.com)
Date: Tue Mar 04 2003 - 22:44:28 GMT
Dear Wim:
I'm sorry my question about your belief in the Christian doctrine of life
after death caused you consternation. By no means do I or would I
assert you are not a Christian if you don't believe in the literal fact or
historical truth of the Resurrection. I didn't remember verbatim your
previous post on the subject, and if I'm at fault for not looking it up prior
to my recent query, I apologize.
> You ask whether it is an accurate description of my view to say that
> patterns of value have no independent existence of their own, without
> anyone/anything 'recognizing' them.
> Pirsig in chapter 7 of 'Lila':
> 'There's a principle in physics that if a thing can't be distinguished from
> anything else it doesn't exist. To this the Metaphysics of Quality adds a
> second principle: if a thing has no value it isn't distinguished from
> anything else. Then, putting the two together, a thing that has no valve
> does not exist. The thing has not created the value. The value has created
> the thing. When it is seen that value is the front edge of experience,
> there is no problem for empiricists here. It simply restates the
> empiricists' belief that experience is the starting point of all reality.'
>
> In other words: no patterns of value without experience. It is difficult to
> think about 'experience' without imagining someone/something
> 'experiencing'. It is not an 'independently existing pattern of value'
> and/or a pre-existent 'experiencer' that create 'experience of value',
> however, it is the value/experience that creates both the subjective 'I'
> and the objectified pattern.
I agree. Thanks for the reminder of an important MOQ principle, one that
I easily forget.
Platt
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