From: Mr. Spears (dspears@toucansurf.net)
Date: Mon Oct 17 2005 - 01:57:21 BST
On 15 Oct 2005, at 16:50, Arlo J. Bensinger wrote:
> Hi Gav,
>
> Well... I'm sympathetic, and the beauty of the thing is that you are
> free to
> engage and disengage in dialogue as you see fit. I do believe that
> there is
> benefit in discussing, openly and critically, the social-level patterns
> (government, capitalism, labor) that are our modern culture.
>
> The main reason I feel this way is that the underlying problems all
> originate in
> dialogic constraints and manipulations. The only way to solve the
> problem, as
> Pirsig described in ZMM, is to "expand the dialogue". The reason for
> all the
> "junk" being produced and consumed (in ZMM) was related to the fact
> that the
> dialogue had no provision for Quality, no way of seeing that the
> relationship
> between those who produce and what they produce effects the quality of
> those
> who consume and what they consume. That is true for materials, ideas,
> and
> politics.
>
> This is why I have such a hard time with "status quo" thinking. Pirsig
> is not a
> "status quo" guy, he was not content to let the "junk" go on without
> being
> openly, and dialogically, critical of it. Right now we have a modern
> system in
> which there is still so much "junk", in materials, ideas and politics.
> And yet
> so many seem so vehement to make sure that no critical challenges
> whatsoever be
> brought into the dialogue (and when I say dialogue, I am talking about
> the
> cultural dialogue).
>
> The so-called "liberal/conservative" dichotomy is merely one example
> of this
> "junk". But to ignore the dialogue completely, to drop out, is not an
> option to
> me. It may very well be the best option for you. Hopefully, the
> dialogue of the
> MOQ is large enough that we can both discuss what is of particular
> interest to
> each of us personally.
>
> Arlo
>
>
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