From: Erin (macavity11@yahoo.com)
Date: Mon Oct 17 2005 - 22:36:34 BST
I see you put your "right" statements in quotes so
they don't count. You are a tricky dicky
"independent".
You wrote:
I think analogies are necessary rhetorical devices.
> I'm not sure what you're
> saying, except maybe that "my" analogy creates the
> problem. If so, how do we
> ever hold a discussion of the problem, of ANY
> problem?
I am not saying your analogies are the problem.
What I am saying is when you use a football analogy
then don't complain about others representing things
as "my team" vs. "your team" because that is exactly
what your football analogy does.
You may be offering a BETTER dichotomy....but it is
still a dichotomy is what I am saying.
When you stop making "right" comments then I will
believe you have transcended a right/left dichotomous
thinking pattern. I'm sorry I go deaf to the "Platt
made me do it" sentiment.
You make those comments because you find the
right/left dichotomy useful.
Erin
--- "Arlo J. Bensinger" <ajb102@psu.edu> wrote:
> Hi Erin,
>
> [you wrote]
> If you want people to act/think as individuals then
> the first step is treating
> them as such and not lumping them into a "party
> people" category.
>
> [Arlo]
> Fair enough. But my purpose in all this is to get
> anyone to act or think as an
> individual. My purpose is to expose a cultural
> problem, or dialogic deficiency.
> Without explaining the problem, or bringing it into
> some type of analysis, I'm
> not sure how to go about talking about solutions.
>
> [you wrote]
> Like Before you complained about using a "my team"
> or "your team" football
> analogy BUT you were the one who brought that
> analogy in the first place.
>
> [Arlo]
> I think analogies are necessary rhetorical devices.
> I'm not sure what you're
> saying, except maybe that "my" analogy creates the
> problem. If so, how do we
> ever hold a discussion of the problem, of ANY
> problem?
>
> [you wrote]
> Just like when you consistently make statements
> about "the right" and deny you
> don't follow Platt's left/right dichotomy.
>
> [Arlo]
> Like I said, its not that I "dont get" or
> acknowledge that there exists people
> who call themselves "conservatives" and people who
> call themselves "liberals".
> As far as using these words, I have no problem. When
> I use them in scarequotes,
> as is nearly always the case (unless sleep
> deprivation has kicked in) it is to
> acknowledge that these self-acclaimed people exist,
> but to deny that all of
> reality can be captured by the cultural dichotomy
> (evidenced here in this forum
> by Platt). Hence, I've never denied there are
> "conservatives" or "liberals",
> and so will use those words (in scarequotes) to
> faciliate the discussion at
> hand. But I won't use them in support of the
> either-or, good-evil, right-wrong
> split many want to go along with it.
>
> [you wrote]
> I just don't find consistency in your
> argument....and that isn't an insult I
> think it is hard to be consistent which these kind
> of topics.
>
> [Arlo]
> Fair enough. And when you call me on thise
> inconsistencies I will either try to
> explain myself, or acknowledge them. Paradox and
> Confusion, I'm told after all,
> guard the Gates of Truth.
>
> Arlo
>
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