From: mark maxwell (laughingpines@yahoo.co.uk)
Date: Sun Oct 23 2005 - 01:57:34 BST
Mark M,
Scott:
I doubt if Nagarjuna would have any difficulty with
evolution. But I think he would regard that last
statement as dubious, as assuming that evolution has a
cosmic goal, and cosmic goals are idols.
Mark 23-10-05:
Right, so there hasn't been any progress in any sense
whatsoever since the invention of writing.
Only a tit would advance that idea.
Scott:
Its the locution "aiming for" that gets deconstructed,
and it is certainly not concept-free.
Mark 23-10-05:
Locutus of Borg more like. Resistance to 'Scottalk' is
futile. This thread was hopefully 'aimed' at
discussing an MOQ description of cybernetics and the
possibility of deriving identity from Universal flux.
Fat chance when you're involved.
Scott:
"Dogma" just means "teaching", so yes, I would say
that Nagarjuna expounds dogma, as does Pirsig, and as
do I.
Mark 23-10-05:
It is the view imposed by authority which is regarded
as dogma. The MOQ does not enjoy authority, but it's
getting there.
The only authority you enjoy is to bring utter
confusion to any thread you happen to participate in.
This thread is itself a prime example:
Scott:
But it is bad to base a metaphysics on it (DQ)
Mark 23-10-05:
This thread wasn't about your pet dislike of the MOQ,
it was about discussing possible ways to advance it a
bit more.
Western universities attribute metaphysics to those,
like Nagarjuna, who base them on emptiness, but that
appears to have slipped your mind? However, if Pirsig
does the same you get all huffy. Be consistent for
heavens sake.
Scott:
No argument here, as you are saying that intellect
implies value.
Mark 23-10-05:
Are you stupid?
Intellect does not imply value in the MOQ, value IS
intellect, period. Read Lila.
Scott:
Because from my point of view I am trying to help you
to go forwards. There are materialist remnants in your
thinking that, as I see it, are preventing that from
happening.
Mark 23-10-05:
No doubt about it Scott. Please piss off quickly.
Scott:
Intellect is not 'made' of anything. It makes
everything. To say that intellect evolved out of the
same 'stuff' as rocks are made of is a remnant of
materialism. All that has been done is to replace
'matter' with 'value', and ignore some consequences of
doing so.
Mark 23-10-05:
Value makes everything. Do me a great favour and never
contribute to any posts of mine again. Please?
Scott:
Does to me too. Why aren't you happy with it? Better,
explain how you define 'idealism' such that what I say
is idealism but the MOQ isn't (assuming you think it
isn't).
Mark 23-10-05:
Get lost immediately.
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