Re: MD Rhetoric

From: David M (davidint@blueyonder.co.uk)
Date: Mon Oct 24 2005 - 20:55:38 BST

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    Hi Matt

    Is pre-intellectual not just qualia, but Pirsig
    is saying all qualia contains a form of value?
    What is wrong with that?

    DM

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Matt Kundert" <pirsigaffliction@hotmail.com>
    To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 12:30 AM
    Subject: RE: MD Rhetoric

    > DMB,
    >
    > DMB said:
    > I get around your objection by pointing out that the neurological
    > description is logically impossible, given the definition of the
    > pre-intellectual experience. I'm not insisting on a particular
    > description.
    >
    > Matt:
    > Well, except for the description of "pre-intellectual experience," you
    > mean.
    >
    > DMB said:
    > I think you keep trying to get me (and Pirsig) to take sides in the
    > historical conversations that you(and Rorty) are most interested in. I
    > think you want to read all these issues as if I (and Pirsig) were
    > philosoph-awful-falafel-ologists like yourself. Not so. Pirsig traces
    > philosophical history back to it very beginings and asserts that Quality
    > was lost long ago....
    >
    > Matt:
    > Whoa, whoa, whoa. After that ellipsis you start in on some
    > "philosophology," and clearly you don't want to do that, so I'm not sure
    > what its point was.
    >
    > But at any rate, I've tried on several occasions to give a good picture of
    > why the distinction between philosophy and philosophology is a poor one,
    > and why it tends to obscure the fact that when people like myself (and
    > Rorty and Pirsig) talk about the "conversation of mankind" or our
    > "analogues upon analogues upon analogues" we're not disrespecting
    > excellence or creativity or the living of life. We're just focusing our
    > attention on one small part of it. Focus isn't bad in and of itself, as
    > everyone knows. But I've tried talking about that before.
    >
    > So, thanks for your time DMB, the conversation was interesting.
    >
    > Matt
    >
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