Re: MD Chaos and its role in Evolution

From: ian glendinning (psybertron@gmail.com)
Date: Mon Oct 31 2005 - 15:27:23 GMT

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    Rebecca, Matt,

    Call me picky, but for me ...

    * one thing
    * interacting with
    * another thing

    ... is three things - the triplet as I've referred to it before.
    Same idea, same "event" though, so no argument.

    I like "relationalist" as a riposte to accusations of "relativist"

    Ian

    On 10/28/05, Matt Kundert <pirsigaffliction@hotmail.com> wrote:
    > Rebecca,
    >
    > Rebecca said:
    > Meh, I'm not into undefined terms. I have a perfectly good idea of what
    > Quality is. The reason you can't define it is because it's relative - like
    > Justice. In order for quality to occur, you have to have two things - any
    > two things. Quality implies comparison... it's an event right? It's one
    > thing interacting with another (that's two things)...
    >
    > Matt:
    > I think that's exactly right. I've thought for a while that Pirsig's
    > descriptions of Quality (as undefined and the like) were intent on making
    > Quality an anti-Essence, making Pirsig something like a panrelationalist.
    > Now, this doesn't make us relativists, but it does make us relationalists.
    > You can't answer the question of whether something is good by itself (i.e.,
    > in-itself), you can only answer when there are other things to compare it
    > to. Things are high or low quality, not absolute or pure or perfect or any
    > other non-relational term. It is high quality compared to ______ or low
    > compared to ______. As John Dewey said, the bad is just another name for a
    > discarded good.
    >
    > Matt
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