Re: MD Re: Quality, subjectivity and the 4th level

From: Platt Holden (pholden@sc.rr.com)
Date: Thu Nov 24 2005 - 00:21:32 GMT

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    > [Arlo]
    > Pirsig said, "Freedom of speech; freedom of assembly, of travel; trial by
    > jury; habeas corpus; government by consent-these "human rights" are all
    > intellect-vs.-society issues." But these are only one set of "intellectual
    > level values"

    Yes, but they are the important set that assure individual freedom from
    social forces such as the gloved fist of government.

    > Others include, the law of gravity, calculus, Quantum
    > Physics, semiotics, etc. Hardly "individual vs group" values. Indeed, they
    > are the collective product of group activity, essentially socially
    > constructed ideas. Hardly "individual values".

    These are "collective" socially constructed ideas? Hardly. Someone, an
    individual, was first. The rest, often reluctantly, followed.

    > [Platt]
    > We also know that intellect (manipulating meaningful symbols) is a uniquely
    > individual process that arises independently mind by mind.
    >
    > [Arlo]
    > Shameful. Like telling everyone the world is flat and resting upon a giant
    > tortoise.
     
    Sorry to see Arlo holding fast to the idea of groupthink with nary a
    thought he can call his own.

    Happy Thanksgiving to Arlo and all American contributors. Not an
    individually constructed original thought to be sure, but heartfelt
    nevertheless. :-)

    Platt

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