From: Arlo J. Bensinger (ajb102@psu.edu)
Date: Fri Nov 25 2005 - 14:40:34 GMT
[Arlo previously]
Why not rename the social level the "individual level", since without
"individuals holding hammers", cities wouldn't get built. Or, why not
rename the biological level the "individual level", since without
"individual bodies" the biological level wouldn't exist?
[Platt]
Show me "innovation" in a bunch of people holding hammers or in a gaggle
of geese.
[Arlo]
Show me "innovation" that occurs in the absence of a "collective consciousness
of all communicating mankind".
[Platt]
This is why Pirsig doesn't spotlight the "individual" as do the
Randian Charlatans.
[Platt]
He spends a whole chapter putting the spotlight on the Randian brujo of
the Zuni, and a whole book on the individual "Lila."
[Arlo]
Randian brujo... I almost snorked coffee out of my nose! You continue to miss
the obvious, the "collective" and the "individual" are forever intertwined, and
give way to the emergence of new evolutionary levels.
Through the collectivization of "individual" cells, the biological level
emerges. The whole (collective) greater than the sum of its parts
(individuals). We then start thinking about this cell collective as an
"individual", which then forms "collectives" with parallel "individuals",
giving rise to yet another emergent. We then start thinking about this "people
collective" as an "individual", which through collective activity with other
parallel "individuals" gives rise to the upper MOQ emergent, the Intellectual
level. "Individuals" on this level, formed by the collective activities of
"lower individuals" (themselves formed by the collective activities of still
"lower individuals") include Calculus, Quantum Physics and the MOQ itself.
Your "Randian brujo" is just an illusion, Platt. An illusion caused by an inner
need to glorify one side of Pirsig's coin, missing completely the emergentist
principle of the MOQ. All Yin, no Yang. And you become the Pirsigian red-blood
cell shouting "there will never be a form of evolution higher than me!",
completely missing the higher form of evolution that is produced by the
collective activity going on around you. Amusing Randian charlatanism, to be
sure, but Randian charlantanism nonetheless.
Arlo
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