Re: MD Quality, subjectivity and the 4th level

From: ian glendinning (psybertron@gmail.com)
Date: Thu Dec 01 2005 - 18:30:28 GMT

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    Case
    Me too.
    (Lest there was any doubt.)
    Ian

    On 12/1/05, Case <Case@ispots.com> wrote:
    > On National Public Radio they have been inviting people to give short talks
    > entitled "What I Believe." Recently Penn Gillett, the mouthy half of the
    > magic team Penn and Teller, gave one. He is an atheist and world class
    > skeptic. He had a problem because the rules said you had to talk about what
    > you believe rather than what you don't believe. So he began on a positive
    > note by saying, "I believe there is no God."
    > Case
    >
    > [Ian]
    > Case,
    > Agnostic / Atheist is not a matter of preference for terms.
    > If your answer is Mu (ie you are agnostic), then you are not atheistic.
    >
    > Ian
    >
    > On 11/29/05, Case <Case@ispots.com> wrote:
    > > Ian:
    > > Mike, you said to Mark
    > > "Surely [you] realised that atheism requires just as much of a leap of
    > > faith as theism does?"
    > >
    > > I've had that debate before. The way I see it that is kinda true, but
    > > I prefer to characterise the atheist's "leap of faith" as a
    > > "suspension of disbelief". An ongoing belief in "nature", even the
    > > unexplained bits, until such time as proven / disproven, without resorting
    > to the "supernatural".
    > >
    > > [Case]
    > > I am perfectly willing to admit to accepting materialism on a leap of
    > faith.
    > > As one who answers the question of Deity with a Mu, I prefer the term
    > > agnostic. But not much to quible about there.
    > >
    > >
    > >
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