From: Platt Holden (pholden@sc.rr.com)
Date: Wed Mar 12 2003 - 13:54:11 GMT
Hi Johnny:
> So, did it end the postmodern aabsolute truth converstation to find some
> agreement there? I think Platt agreed that there will always be doubt
> because it is absolutely true that you can never know everything, do the
> post modernists agree that there is such a thing as absolute truth? Does
> Platt further agree that because it is true that we can never know
> everything, there will always be doubt about everything, we can never know
> that what we believe is certainty true (that is, everything besides the
> ultimate truth that we can never know everything.)?
No, Platt does not agree. To assert that we can never know everything
is not to assert we can never know anything. We can know plenty, but
not everything. There's lots we know is certainly true, that which we
have no doubt whatsoever, beginning with existence. Otherwise, we
wouldn't be here.
> >I believe it is absolutely and forever true that
> >the second paragraph of the U.S. Declaration of Independence begins
> >with the words, "We hold these Truths to be self-evident . . ." How
> >about you?
>
> But now, Platt, do you agree that we need to re-ask that question to make
> sure that you weren't wrong, that maybe you were the victim of state
> propaganda, and that it was actually "We think that this stuff is important
> . . ." ? You agree that you don't know everything, well, that is one of
> the things you don't know. To prove it, we have to consult some reference,
> so all you are asserting is that you predict that a reference will have
> that as the second paragraph. I can expect the reference to be correct,
> and we can both be confident that it is true, we assert it as true. If we
> find out later we were wrong, then we change what is true. We say "we were
> wrong" this is what is true.
How's that again? Do you doubt my assertion?
> >I believe is it absolutely and forever moral to eliminate slavery. How
> >about you?
>
> I define morality as what people are expected to do. If people were
> expected to have or be slaves, then it was moral. People are no longer
> expected to have or be slaves, so it isn't moral. The expetation changed
> because truth is contingent. if truth wasn't, slavery would still be OK.
Nevermind what "people" expect or think. Do YOU believe slavery is
absolutely wrong?
> >I believe thought to be absolutely and
> >forever necessary for human survival. How about you?
>
> Not as much as sleep...
Now you're talking. :-)
Platt
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