Re: MD Pirsig the postmodernist?

From: Matt the Enraged Endorphin (mpkundert@students.wisc.edu)
Date: Sat Mar 15 2003 - 04:03:18 GMT

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    Platt, Matt, Johnny, anybody else,

    Platt said:
    My grandparents believed a lot of things I don't. Likewise, my
    grandchildren will believe a lot of things I don't. "Many truths change,"
    which is one truth like many that doesn't. :-)

    Matt:
    I thought of a new way to put the post-modern's nonchalance about the
    self-referential paradoxes Platt keeps accusing us of, so I thought I'd use
    Platt as a segway. Presumably from what Platt has said on other occasions
    and from how I understand his position, when Platt says, "My grandparents
    believed a lot of things I don't," he also means that he is more right,
    more correct in his beliefs. And by this he means that his beliefs are
    better than his grandparents'. When Platt says, "my grandchildren will
    believe a lot of things I don't," he does _not_ mean that his grandchildren
    will necessarily have beliefs that are more right. He hopes they will have
    better beliefs, but it may end up being the case that they will become
    post-modernists, which according to Platt's lights is a bad thing.

    Platt and I agree on this. I, too, think that my beliefs are better than
    my grandparents' and that my grandkids may someday have some pretty stupid
    beliefs. Where we differ is in the fact that Platt believes that
    "betterness" is judged, not in any particular person's lights, but in the
    light of Reason. Platt believes that a Tribunal of Reason judges whose
    beliefs are better than whose, and that this Tribunal of Reason assures us
    that when a belief is judged better, it is absolutely, now and forever,
    better than the rejected belief. This is a modern perspective. So, if
    post-modernism is judged by the Tribunal of Reason as being degenerate and
    amoral, it will be by the light of Reason, not Platt's own particular
    beliefs about the matter. (Consistent with his position, Platt admirably
    leaves open the possibility that Reason will rule against him; what this
    would mean if it judges against him on the issue of "modernism v.
    post-modernism" is, to say the least, a little paradoxical, which is what
    gives Platt the reason to think that Reason will rule on behalf of the
    defendant.)

    I, on the other hand, take a post-modern perspective, which says that
    "betterness" is judged by our own particular lights. When slavery was
    judged to be immoral, it wasn't judged by Reason, it was judged by a
    community of persons who said, "Ya' know what? That whole slavery thing
    really sucks for the slaves. Maybe we shouldn't do that." So, if the
    issue between modernism and post-modernism is ever decided, it will be by a
    particular group of people with a particular perspective, not by an
    a-perspectival Tribunal of Reason.

    Now, I've already noted that a paradoxical conclusion appears if Reason
    judged post-modernism to be absolutely better: the Tribunal of Reason
    ruled that the Tribunal of Reason does not exist. Hmm, doesn't make much
    sense does it. I've noted to Platt before that this paradox only arises
    when we use the modern vocabulary of a Tribunal of Reason. The switch to
    post-modernism is the switch from of modern vocabulary that makes reference
    to a Tribunal of Reason to a post-modern vocabulary that makes reference to
    a Tribunal of People. In this case the judgement, "the Tribunal of People
    ruled that the Tribunal of Reason does not exist," makes much more
    sense. It is at this point that Platt accuses post-moderns of abandoning
    Reason, which is true insofar as it means that we are abandoning the image
    of a Tribunal of Reason judging us, in favor of a Tribunal of People who
    reason out their judgements. Reason and logic don't disappear. They just
    become internalized into a new set of assumptions. For instance,
    Riemannian geometry looks illogical amd unreasonable to the Euclidean and
    vice versa. The moral to take from this story is that we shouldn't expect
    two different vocabularies to be logically compatible if they use a
    different set of premises and assumptions. Using the premises of
    post-modernism, no paradox arises. We simply set aside talk of
    absoluteness in favor of talk of contingency. All of our judgements are
    historically contingent. That means it made sense for 18th-century
    slaveowners to have slaves, even though it doesn't make sense to us
    now. This isn't to say that the 18th-century slaveowner's belief in
    slavery is just as good as our current belief in the immoralness of
    slavery. By our lights, the slaveowner, were he to be transplanted from
    his time and place into our time and place, would be wrong, wrong,
    wrong. By his lights, he would still be right, but the entire world-moral
    community is against him and we can feel comfortable in condemning
    him. The switch from a modern moral vocabulary to a post-modern moral
    vocabulary is the switch from moral algebra to moral solidarity.

    On the issue of contingency and the modern/post-modern debate, it makes
    sense to refer to Nietzsche's famous phrase (stolen from Feuerbach): "God
    is dead." What Nietzsche meant was that God was once alive. According to
    an old, religious vocabulary, God did exist. But now the advent of a new,
    Nietzschean vocabulary has killed Him because by the light of the new
    vocabulary, God is a figment of our imaginations. At the same time, a
    Tribunal of Reason did once exist. According to an old, Kantian, modern
    vocabulary, a Tribunal of Reason did pass ahistorical, absolute judgement
    over our beliefs. But that is not the case anymore. The advent of a new,
    post-modern (as it happens, Nietzschean) vocabulary has disbanded the old
    Tribunal of Reason and has replaced it with a Tribunal of People. So, it
    may be fair to say that there once did exist Absolutes. But they existed
    in a time that has, by my own Nietzschean lights, now since past.

    Matt

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