From: jhmau (jhmau@sbcglobal.net)
Date: Mon Mar 17 2003 - 17:52:41 GMT
On 14 March Andy at bahna @ rpi.edu writes:
Andy:
Is the removal of Saddam worth the price of one innocent life? How about
two? How many lives would you equate this objective too? And, what do you
think of the utility of the United Nations? Is the US justified in going to
war without the backing of the security council? Do you fear the possible
repercussions of a US led war in Iraq, in terms of an
increase in terroristic retaliations around the world? Finally, I wonder, if
you think it is possible to "bomb the world to Peace." Can peace ever be
the final outcome of extreme violent actions? I am sincerely in your
thoughts. Although, my mind is already made up on the answers to the above
questions (y,n,1,very useful,n,y,n,n), I like to know what other thoughtful
people think.
Hi Andy,
I have come late to questions of the draft and war. I was drafted into
Korea with no thoughts or questions. I arrived 2 weeks after the cease fire
was signed.
In 1963 I went to New York to live and help at the soup line of the Catholic
Worker on Chrystie St. I heard about Ammon Hennacy who was arrested in 1917
as a conscientious objector to WWI. He was imprisoned in an Atlanta prison
for two years.
I met Dorothy Day who started a sheet to express the ideas of Peter Maurin,
a radical, pacifist, anarchist "The Catholic Worker" in 1933. I sold the
paper in N.Y. for a penny. Miss Day held to pacifism during WWII and the
Korean war.
At one of the Friday night meetings someone commented that we had to fight
WWII to protect people, particularly Jewish people. Dorothy commented that
it is hard to imagine more people being killed by refusing to fight than
were killed by warring.
I learned of the Quakers. In the summer of 1964 in Mississippi, I learned
that too many African Americans had been lynched. I learned Bob Dylan's
verse: "How many deaths does it take, til? We know that too many people
have died!"
George Gurdjieff in his book "Beelzebub's Tales to His Grandson" wrote about
the abnormal behavior of people on earth to reciprocally destroy their
existence. This was a practice maleficent for them themselves.
It is immoral to war!
Joe
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