Re: MD Burden of Proof

From: johnny moral (johnnymoral@hotmail.com)
Date: Fri Mar 21 2003 - 21:30:06 GMT

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    I've been thinking about this some more, and have a response to myself:

    The biological pattern of photosynthesis does break apart patterns of the
    chemical level while it propogates its own pattern, which is immoral. I
    think Carbon Dioxide has every right to defend its way of life against this.

    Johnny

    >From: "johnny moral" <johnnymoral@hotmail.com>
    >Reply-To: moq_discuss@moq.org
    >To: moq_discuss@moq.org
    >Subject: Re: MD Burden of Proof
    >Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 18:54:26 +0000
    >
    >Hi Rick,
    >
    >I've seen that paragraph, but I'm afraid I can't figure out how it applies.
    > Without getting back into any specific argument, it just seems to me that
    >anyone can claim that their desired course is at a higher level than the
    >established pattern that is in their way.
    >
    >And I think even if it could be determined that something was "more
    >dynamic", it still would be immoral if it involved breaking established
    >patterns. The patterns are moral, each one of them, and they shouldn't be
    >broken. Moral things are not necessarily what is best for us, or most fair
    >or most enlightened. They are just most. (The root of moral, which of
    >course means simply the mores, customs and traditions, is "mos" - which
    >looks enough like "most" to me to make me think...If more people do it that
    >way, that's what is moral)
    >
    >Many patterns I think we could agree are "more dynamic" and "higher level"
    >but disagree about their morality, like eugenics, terrorism, communism,
    >nationalism, globalism, ludditism, technolgism, capitalism, Islamicism. My
    >bet is that Platt and others will simply pull out from that the things they
    >like and call them Intellectual, while labelling the things they don't like
    >as biological or social, but I think those are all Intellectual - they are
    >all "isms" and involve "thinking about" social things and trying to apply
    >large scale change across society.
    >
    >I think the intellectual level is supposed to lay on top of the social
    >level respectfully, it is not opposed to social patterns. Indeed, I think
    >Pirsig is on the wrong track when he says higher level patterns are
    >fighting lower level patterns and keeping them in check them. I believe
    >they nurture them and depend on them. Pirsig says that flying is
    >overcoming gravity, but note that gravitational patterns are not endangered
    >by birds flying around. Indeed, without gravity, there'd be no air
    >pressure for birds to fly in, birds depend on gravity just like falling
    >rocks do (of course, gravity needs no nurturing, a better example might be
    >photosynthesis and biological patterns which promote and nurture chemical
    >patterns which otherwise would happen more rarely). And biological
    >patterns are nurtured by social patterns - societies help people eat and
    >live longer. Intellectual patterns should help social patterns, because it
    >would be immoral to break them down. For an intellectual pattern to weaken
    >a social level pattern is to encourage immorality.
    >
    >Johnny
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