From: Buff .. (buffinasia@hotmail.com)
Date: Tue Mar 25 2003 - 17:50:19 GMT
MOQs, Focs, et al.
>DMB quotes Pirsig:
>"In this manner biological man is exploited and devoured by social patterns
>that are essentially hostile to his biological values."
BUFF
The same self biological patterns however are far better off beholden to
social static patterns of value, than they were when beholden to biological
patterns of value that required survival and propogation as primary;
fostering murder and rape, which society has outlawed and is slowly
controlling the spread of!
Society(as beautiful as it can be), does undoubtedly abuse the fact that it
can more readily exploit the biological units than they can redress the
balance.
That statement is much less true, and that exploitation is much less
intrinsic to society, than it was before WW1 (a turning point we all
recognise), because that expliotation is heavily challenged these days,
no-one is willing to walk to their deaths, without discord at the state or
pattern of value which is putting them there and all quality patterns of
value contain that right to be challenged and replaced by something better.
The challenge of the biological level that some social patterns of value can
be too wasteful of people has been upheld solidly by the often senseless
loss of life in countless wars.
Quality societies (like our Western ones)have a social infrastructure which
fosters beautiful biological expansion, it is the high quality of these
basic social static patterns of value in allowing themsleves to be
challenged by intellectual patterns of value, which partly makes them of
such high a quality.
Intellect is not going to 'win',our present society requires a central
static nature which it can fall back on without crumbling into anarchy or
worse, this precludes intellect's total replacement of society with superior
intellectual patterns of value. Intellect is not going to 'lose' either as
long as their are people who can appreciate quality then theres going to be
intellectual amelioration of, and challenge to, social patterns of value.
What I conjecture may happen, is that intellectual patterns of value are
going to combine continually with dynamic social quality to lay down more
biologically aware static social patterns of value than have ever been known
before, we may then see intellectual as we see it now becoming the icing on
the 3rd level cake of society and the definition of the 4th level to be
something more like 'care' changing to be more geared to an introspective
understandiong of our forgotten latent abilities to appreciate each other,
where at it's pinnacle (in tens of thousands of years)minds can truly meet,
where you can know the mind of another without the language loop (definition
not= reality)where we can make another understand a dynamic pattern of
value as it happens
There's plenty here to disagree with, especially the conjecture, I am
untrained and some of you lot are academics, I really do care about the MOQ
forum,and what is said so please 'have a care' Point out my
miscomprehensions should you notice any as just that, without personal
judgement. I got shot last time. Engender my interaction with you. I get a
lot from it! I hope in the future you all can too!
Buff
national man of interaction
p.s thanks MattEE for helping!
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