Re: MD Philosophy and Theology

From: Valence (valence10@hotmail.com)
Date: Thu Mar 27 2003 - 15:22:52 GMT

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    Hey Sam,

     SAM
    > Pirsig states, when describing the MoQ, "The block at the top contains
    such
    > static intellectual patterns as theology, science, philosophy,
    mathematics.
    > The placement of the intellect in this position makes it superior to
    > society, biology and inorganic patterns but still inferior to Dynamic
    > Quality."
    >
    > That is in the SODV paper, and I am grateful to Rick for mentioning it in
    > another thread. It is always refreshing to re-read Pirsig's own views,
    > rather than what people claim for his perspective....

    > DMB thinks that theology is not intellectual. Pirsig, Scott, Rick, Johnny,
    I
    > and others in the forum, along with pretty much the entirety of the
    world's
    > intellectual community think that it is.

    RICK
    Yes Sam. I agree with you and Pirsig that "theology" is an intellectual
    pattern. But I believe that Pirsig would completely disagree with you when
    you say...

    SAM (from the "Conflict of Values" thread)
    "...for Islam, just as much as Christianity, operates at the intellectual
    level."

    RICK
        You have become confused Sam. "Theology" does not equal "religion". In
    the MoQ, neither Islam nor Christianity operate at the Intellectual level.
    You will notice that the SODV paper cites "church" as a social pattern.
    Theology is an intellectual pattern because it is the methods of reason and
    rationality applied to social patterns of religion. But that doesn't make
    religion itself an intellectual pattern. That is, the fact that "theology"
    (the study of religion) is an intellectual pattern doesn't mean that
    Christianity (an object of theology) is an intellectual pattern anymore than
    the fact that entomology (the study of insects) is an intellectual pattern
    means that a cockroach (an object of entomology) is an intellectual pattern.

    take care
    rick

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