From: Valence (valence10@hotmail.com)
Date: Thu Mar 27 2003 - 22:57:22 GMT
Hey Platt and Steve,
I haven't read any Ayn Rand, so I can't comment on that aspect of the
thread...
> PLATT
> The "truth" revealed by great art is not an "intellectual truth" but
rather
> the truth of what it is to be alive and human. It is "intuitive truth," an
> immediate perception of Quality, preconceptual and therefore
> inexplicable. So I see great art as Steve does, as a catalyst for the DQ
> experience.
RICK
Art is a catalyst for Dynamic experience? Okay. I like that. But many
things are catalysts for Dynamic experience (ie. the heart attack). What,
in your opinion, differentiates art from other catalysts of the Dynamic?
> PIRSIG:
> "For purposes of MOQ precision, let's say the intellectual level is the
> same as mind. It is the collection and manipulation of symbols, created
> in the brain, that stand for patterns of experience."
>
> RICK
> Given this definition and your feelings about Quality in art.... Do you
> think that works of art which reveal truths about life are kinds of
> intellectual patterns that stand for patterns of experience?
>
> PLATT
> Yes, the artist uses symbols to stand for patterns of experience. But
> rather than using symbols to create intellectual patterns to convey
> intellectual truths about the (supposedly) amoral world, he uses
> symbols to create aesthetic patterns to convey intuitive truths about the
> Quality world.
RICK
What level do "aesthetic patterns" belong to in the MoQ?
PLATT
In SODV, Pirsig writes:
>
> "The arts explore the Conceptually Unknown in other ways to create
> patterns such as music, literature, painting, that reveal the Dynamic
> Quality that produced them."
>
> I think artistic, aesthetic patterns are distinctly different from
intellectual
> patterns although of course there is some overlap. Pirsig's novels are
> excellent examples of combining intellectual and aesthetic patterns.
RICK
Different I get. But to what level do they belong. Pirsig himself dodges
the question in SODV giving us only this....
PIRSIG (SODV)
In Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance art was defined as high quality
endeavor. I have never found a need to add anything to that definition.
RICK
That's all well and good, but we still don't know what kind of pattern the
Mona Lisa is. One might say that it's Inorganic (paint and canvas) but that
would be like saying the chemistry professor is really just his molecules.
PLATT
> I find art endlessly fascinating. But in talking about it rather than
directly
> experiencing it, I can be rightly accused of being parasitic.
RICK
I would never make such a pretentious accusation. I feel pretty sure that
there is value in the discussion of art.
PLATT
Oh, what the
> heck. Getting drunk, picking up bar ladies and talking about art is part
> of life. :-)
RICK
And let's not forget the metaphysics :)
take care
rick
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