From: Joe (jhmau@sbcglobal.net)
Date: Wed Apr 02 2003 - 19:14:06 BST
Hey Platt:
> > My awareness seems to be a field generated by my DNA like a gravity
field
> > around a planet.
On 02 April 2003 5:55AM Platt writes:
How about looking at it another way? Since bodily organs directly or
indirectly respond to and utilize environmental phenomena (lungs-air,
stomach-food, eyes-scene) perhaps the brain likewise responds to and
utilizes a field of awareness already present in the environment.
joe: I find it difficult to discuss a field of awareness as a pattern. I
want to be able to appeal to an intuition of awareness. I can appeal to an
intuition of a field of awareness generated by my DNA and everyone can look
to their own awareness. Is awareness in the individual or "present in the
environment"? I would say both, and I am a tree-hugger. Is awareness only
in the environment, and present in me as part of a pattern? I do not want
to change the awareness in the environment, until I know to change myself.
I want to be able to practice changing my awareness, and if I am wrong to go
in another direction.
Platt:
Furthermore, perhaps this field of awareness is Dynamic Quality that a
newborn baby responds to without mediation.
joe: I have never thought of it that way. I have no way to say yes or no
to that except in regard to change. I change myself.
Platt:
Perhaps it is the "pre-intellectual" value identified in the MoQ that lies
between the subject and the object, a value more immediate and directly
sensed than any self or any object later assigned by the "patterning" mind.
joe: 'Subject', 'object', 'mind', these are words I prefer not to use at
this time.
Platt:
I'm confused by your claim that there are "three aspects of dq present in
the formation of patterns."
joe: I accept intuition. I think Pirsig does. I want to use words.
Instead of abstraction as a basis for words, I use 'forming a pattern' to
which I assign a word.
I accept by intuition that I exist. 'Existence' becomes an aspect of the
pattern.
I accept by intuition that I act. 'Purpose' becomes an aspect of the
pattern.
I intuit. (This is different than I act.) 'Quality' becomes an aspect of
the pattern.
I do not want to use a lot of words, until I see a framework of what words
are. "In the beginning was the word.". I hope that helps.
Joe
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