From: johnny moral (johnnymoral@hotmail.com)
Date: Tue Apr 15 2003 - 20:27:41 BST
Hi Steve, Matt, all
you wrote,
>Matt's philosophy disallows a primary context, a context of not having a
>context, i.e. DQ, or the possibility of becoming free of all static
>patterns. He's not willing to live with such a contradiction as a point
>of
>view of not having a point of view. You seem to be okay with this
>contradiction.
Well put, Steve (not sure if you believe this also or are just summing up
Matt's position, but I'll assume for now you believe it too, since it was so
succinctly put).
I'm glad you point out the contradiction of all the people who put DQ up on
the pedestal as if it can be seen without seeing it through our static
patterned belief about what is DQ and what isn't DQ. Are you saying, and/or
does Matt agree, that there is no DQ, or just disavowing that any of us can
see it in it's primary context? Can we come close to seeing it in a pure
sense, or is any context as perverted from objectivity seeing DQ as any
other?
Johnny
>From: Steve Peterson <peterson.steve@verizon.net>
>Reply-To: moq_discuss@moq.org
>To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
>Subject: Re: MD Undeniable Facts
>Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 11:48:02 -0400
>
>Hi Platt,
>
>
> >> Platt said,
> >>> Undeniable Fact: Experience (Quality) is always the primary context.
> >>
> >>> Thus, truth is experience-dependent, experience being the germinal
> >>> context from which all other subsidiary contexts (such as historicism)
>are
> >>> derived.
> >>
> >> But when someone makes a statement of undeniable fact, that person has
>just
> >> introduced a subsidiary context. Instead of Experience as Quality, we
>have
> >> "someone's mediated experience" mediated further through words--just
>one of
> >> infinite contexts. Would you agree?
> >
> > Please clarify for me what you mean by "mediated." I've noticed this has
> > become a very popular word among intellectuals in recent years. It used
> > to mean "to settle differences between two parties." I don't think
>that's
> > your meaning above, but just what sort of behavior the word "mediated"
> > points to I'm not sure. Perhaps "interfere with" or "translated by?"
>
>What I mean is that, first of all, awareness is dependent on a context of
>static patterns for the individual who experiences. What each individual
>is
>aware of happens within his or her individual context. Maybe I don't
>understand what is meant by equating Experience and Quality. I think there
>must be a distinction between small "s" experience and Quality since one's
>static patterns determine experience of Experience. Do you make such a
>distinction?
>
>Secondly, I can't really communicate my experience to you. I can use words
>to describe my experience but the words that you receive from me cannot
>recreate the experience for you. I could never buy into being "stuck in
>words" because I know that I use words to point to experience, not merely
>to
>other words.
>
>You don't want to live with the contradiction of "absolutely no absolutes."
>Matt is okay with that contradiction. He will continue denying that he
>ever
>made such a claim or that such a claim is implicit in his philosophy .
>
>Matt's philosophy disallows a primary context, a context of not having a
>context, i.e. DQ, or the possibility of becoming free of all static
>patterns. He's not willing to live with such a contradiction as a point
>of
>view of not having a point of view. You seem to be okay with this
>contradiction.
>
>Thanks,
>Steve
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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