Re: MD What's the difference?

From: johnny moral (johnnymoral@hotmail.com)
Date: Tue May 06 2003 - 19:34:15 BST

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    Hi Platt,

    I think the word "morality" more consicely conveys the idea of a set of
    shared patterns than "reality" does, which implies an "objective reality"
    and doesn't highlight the role of human understanding. Experience goes even
    further along that scale, implying a totally subjective reality that doesn't
    highlight the shared nature of morality and the interdependency of humans.
    Morality sits right in the middle of the scale of subjectivity and
    objectivity, connotation-wise. It is closest to "the Tao", which Buddhism
    calls "the middle way", and is how CS Lewis chose to refer to morality so as
    to not confuse the reader with the readers or author's "own" morality or
    specific culture.

    And it's pretty sly of you to temper my satisfaction by also adding "value"
    to the list at the same time, which is perhaps the most benign word in the
    entire language. You really want to resist letting morality get any
    recognition, don't you? I guess as a libertarian, you don't want to imply
    that people have a right to care about what other people do as long as they
    let other people alone to do their own thing also, so you resist using the
    word used to mean a shared morality that is synonomous with objective
    reality.

    Johnny

    >Hi Johnny,
    > > I'm wondering why you didn't include morality in your list :( The most
    > > relevant point that Lila makes is that reality is morality, it even says
    > > "an inquiry into morals" right on the cover.
    >
    >Since I included Quality I didn't think it was necessary to also include
    >morality. Pirsig makes it clear that Quality is the same as morality. At
    >the end of Chap. 7 in Lila he writes:
    >
    >"Because Quality is morality. Make no mistake about it. They're
    >identical."
    >
    >But, I have no problem with adding "Morality" as well as "Value" if you
    >think they make the list more clear and complete.
    >
    > > PS, I'd say they all mean pretty much the same thing, just from
    > >different
    > > perspectives relating to the knowledge available from that perspective
    >and
    > > moral conventions of understanding an individual consciousness's place
    >in
    > > the world. The word you left out is the word that supplies the
    >differences
    > > in meaning of all those words.
    >
    >I don't understand how "morality" supplies the differences in the meaning
    >of
    >all those words, especially since Quality, morality, value, reality,
    >experience, etc. appear to be identical in the MoQ. Recall the hot stove
    >example where "The value itself is an experience."
    >
    >Platt
    >
    >
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