Re: MD MOQ

From: Paul Turner (pauljturner@yahoo.co.uk)
Date: Mon May 12 2003 - 10:44:17 BST

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    Hi Steve

    I personally think that your inside/outside
    distinction is a good one to bear in mind when
    considering how the MoQ emerges from the Quality
    insight described in ZMM. I don't think you should
    drop it, if you see it as a philosophological
    distinction rather than a metaphysical one.

    To me, it emphasises that Pirsig makes a major
    contextual shift from an anthropocentric description
    of Quality as experience to a universal experience
    that applies to all.

    Pirsig: 'Reality is always the moment of vision before
    the intellectualisation takes place. There is no other
    reality. This preintellectual reality is what Phaedrus
    felt he had properly identified as Quality.' ZMM Ch 20

    This description is of the human experience of Quality
    as preintellectual reality. He initially extends this
    human experience only to other organisms as an
    intellectual analogue:

    Pirsig: 'Quality is the response of an organism to its
    environment. An amoeba, placed on a plate of water
    with a drip of dilute sulfuric acid placed nearby,
    will pull away from the acid (I think). If it could
    speak the amoeba, without knowing anything about
    sulfuric acid, could say, 'This environment has poor
    quality.' ZMM Ch 20

    To me, it is at this point that the MoQ emerges from
    its anthropocentric conception into the possibility of
    a full blown metaphysics. In your words, the view from
    within becomes the view from outside.

    Once this shift has happened Pirsig can then set about
    creating the MoQ we find in Lila:

    Pirsig: 'Phaedrus saw that the "value" which directed
    subatomic particles is not identical with the "value"
    a human being gives to a painting. But he saw that the
    two are cousins, and that the exact relationship
    between them can be defined with great precision.'
    Lila Ch 8

    The Quality experience is extended, by analogy, to
    everything, from subatomic particles to appreciation
    of art.

    In a similar way, the static-Dynamic division and the
    morality insight are extended beyond their
    anthropocentric conception to a universal reality by
    analogy.

    In my opiniion, what your distinction does best is
    draw attention to one of the general assumptions that
    underpins the MoQ - that 'everything' has a 'view from
    within'.

    When it comes to understanding the MoQ, I think
    anything that draws attention to the general
    assumptions it makes can only help bring clarity to
    anyone who studies it. And the more people who can
    understand the MoQ, the better (starting with me!)

    cheers

    Paul

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