From: nic nott (gnicgnostic@yahoo.co.uk)
Date: Thu Jun 05 2003 - 22:33:57 BST
Pi <pi@mideel.ath.cx> wrote:
Hi August,
Thanks for bringing up that example. What I am trying to point out is that
the tree is *not* the same whether you see it or not! It is completely
dependent on the viewer. I believe it was in LILA where Pirsig mentioned
that when we blink, the reason we don't think that the world has ended is
because of the "continuation" static intellectual pattern that we have
adopted. Your tree example is very similar. One other example I would like
to point out from Pirsig is from zmm. Recall his rant about gravity not
existing before Newton coined the term and developed the theory. I would
like to invite you to explain this example using your theory of
perception.
The point you bring up about "free will" deserves a new thread because it
is too much of a tangent. In short, as I understand it, under MOQ, human
choice and the choices a lightning makes are not very different. Just
because we can predict path of a lightining bolt with some accuracy does
not imply that it does not have a choice. A lightining bolt "chooses" a
path of highest quality and so do each of us. But let us start a new
thread if anyone would like to examine this tangent in more detail.
Take care,
- Pi
Apples fell before Newton and blind people walk into trees . The point is that something universal is there , how we percieve it is how we place it in our own personal universe . What I see as red you might see as what I would call blue , but we all call it red and it is the same wavelength of electromagnetic radiation .
I think there is a difference between the lighting bolt and the human choice . Humans are free to make bad choices and also " better than good "choose choices . A fat person on a diet may consistntly choose a chocolate eclair and so never make any progress whereas the lighting bolt will always choose the raindrop with greatest potential difference . But the lightning bolt cannot plan its path and so zig-zags around the sky before grounding , the human could calculate the most efficient path . This is why the universe invented conciousness/intelligence .
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