From: Joe (jhmau@sbcglobal.net)
Date: Fri Jun 06 2003 - 19:17:55 BST
On 6 June 2003 5:57 AM Platt writes:
Platt:
Well, I do make a distinction between words (concepts) and things. I try to
keep in mind the independence of symbols from the things symbolized, the map
from the territory, the menu from the meal. The words "existence," "object,"
"subject," and "pattern of value" point to experience, but names for what we
experience are not the experiences themselves. But here's the key: the names
we use to describe experience have their origins in our metaphysics, the
beliefs we hold about what our experiences mean. If we believe experiences
stem from subjects who experience independent objects
outside our skins, then for us that's reality. On the other hand, if we
believe our experiences stem from patterns of value who experience Dynamic
Quality and other patterns of value, then for us that's reality. Either way,
experiences are the same. Only the metaphysics, the meanings and the words
change.
Hi PLatt, Johnny and All,
joe: Platt, after all of your discussion with Matt EE about pomo, why do you
describe metaphysics as "the beliefs we hold about what our experiences
mean" ?
I accept that I know things. As a child I learn things. As I grow older, I
have different experiences. I do not accept the the 'words' I use were only
learned at my mother's knee. I experienced word formation. Words are not
just conventional sounds we agree about. How I know things became a focus
of attention when Pirsig points out that I experience the indefinable.
SOM is based on an abstraction by a mind existing in a body. MoQ points out
that as a child I experience things and build my own knowledge base. My
awareness generated by my DNA and is individual to me, not like a blank mind
common to all people. That my awareness can become more complex with
experience and use a mystical property to generate patterns and words as
though they are my experience seems reasonable.
In this way MoQ grows into SOM with the difference that MoQ has to be
continuously used for verification, or else subjective, objective errors
occur.
Education is not just a SOM experience which involves mostly memory
training. MoQ muscles must be strengthened as well. The girl in Phaedrus'
rhetoric class was blocked and could not write about the building. Phaedrus
asked her to focus on one brick, a MoQ approach to experience, and her block
was removed.
Joe
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