From: nic nott (gnicgnostic@yahoo.co.uk)
Date: Mon Jun 09 2003 - 18:45:50 BST
Johnny said
It is free will that is ridiculous. We do things for reasons, everything
happens for a reason. Reasoned arguments can and do change our will. Free
willers seem to believe that they can do things in spite of reasons, as you
said, by a part of us that resides outside the universe. I do not believe
that anything resides outside the universe. I believe the future is
dependent on the past and present. I think it is ridiculous and
irresponsible to believe otherwise.
Hi Johnny and all
You don't think that anything exists outside the universe . That may possibly be true but , I think , highlly unlikely . Say sometime in the future someone created a virtual reality so advanced living beings could be created inside that could be endowed with consciousness ( which , by your deterministic argument , must be possible ) . These beings could reside in a unique universe with it,s own individual properties and rules . These beings could be totally unaware that theirs was a manufactured reality and beleive that their universe was all there was ( apart from a dangerous bad of heretics ) . Where exactly do they reside ? However far they travel in whatever direction in their universe they will never come across ours . The laws their world would follow would be quite different from ours ans so they could never be described as being in our universe .
I think it extreme arrogance to think that our universe is all there is . Akin to the religious establishments reactions to Galileos claims that the earth orbits the sun and is not infact the centre of the universe . The universe is quite obviously an " occurence " in some kind of substrate .
P.S . I totally agree about Quantum Mechanics , saying the uncertaincy principle somehow brings free will into universe is like saying that dice have free will , and even the uncertaincy principle is looking decidedly shakey when looked at from Brane theory
Nic
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