From: johnny moral (johnnymoral@hotmail.com)
Date: Mon Jun 09 2003 - 21:26:13 BST
Hi Nic,
Even if we are living in a virtual universe, is our will free if someone at
a keyboard can arbitrarily change it with a few keystrokes? Free will
implies we sit at the keyboard that controls the universe we live in.
Johnny
>From: nic nott <gnicgnostic@yahoo.co.uk>
>Reply-To: moq_discuss@moq.org
>To: moq_discuss@moq.org
>Subject: Re: MD Free Will
>Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 18:45:50 +0100 (BST)
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>Johnny said
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>It is free will that is ridiculous. We do things for reasons, everything
>happens for a reason. Reasoned arguments can and do change our will. Free
>willers seem to believe that they can do things in spite of reasons, as you
>said, by a part of us that resides outside the universe. I do not believe
>that anything resides outside the universe. I believe the future is
>dependent on the past and present. I think it is ridiculous and
>irresponsible to believe otherwise.
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>Hi Johnny and all
> You don't think that anything exists outside the universe . That may
>possibly be true but , I think , highlly unlikely . Say sometime in the
>future someone created a virtual reality so advanced living beings could be
>created inside that could be endowed with consciousness ( which , by your
>deterministic argument , must be possible ) . These beings could reside in
>a unique universe with it,s own individual properties and rules . These
>beings could be totally unaware that theirs was a manufactured reality and
>beleive that their universe was all there was ( apart from a dangerous bad
>of heretics ) . Where exactly do they reside ? However far they travel in
>whatever direction in their universe they will never come across ours . The
>laws their world would follow would be quite different from ours ans so
>they could never be described as being in our universe .
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> I think it extreme arrogance to think that our universe is all there is
>. Akin to the religious establishments reactions to Galileos claims that
>the earth orbits the sun and is not infact the centre of the universe . The
>universe is quite obviously an " occurence " in some kind of substrate
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>P.S . I totally agree about Quantum Mechanics , saying the uncertaincy
>principle somehow brings free will into universe is like saying that dice
>have free will , and even the uncertaincy principle is looking decidedly
>shakey when looked at from Brane theory
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>Nic
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