From: Elizaphanian (elizaphanian@tiscali.co.uk)
Date: Tue Jun 17 2003 - 10:52:47 BST
Hi Paul,
Glad you're still lurking. I'm mulling over your 'forum' post, although I haven't pulled any
thoughts together yet. Hopefully (once the fun and games of birth have passed by) you'll be able to
resume that conversation?
Anyhow:
> > - An anonymous person completing a marathon once in
> > their life
>
> Running the marathon would be biological with a social
> meaning of achievement, directed by an intellectual
> decision to do it.
What makes me uncomfortable about calling this running of a marathon 'biological' or 'social' is
that a) it's not something that you could explain by reference to the 'laws of natural selection' -
somewhat the contrary and b) the point about it being 'anonymous' and 'once' was to try and get away
from a sense of social approval. It seems perfectly possible that someone may wish to pursue the
running of a marathon for reasons of their own individual 'arete', ie flourishing, and it needn't
involve anybody else to provide that sense of Quality. And I can't see how this is 'intellectual'
(logic? evidence? reason?)
> > - The play 'A Streetcar named Desire' by Tennessee
> > Williams
>
> (Great play) An intellectual pattern of value acted at
> a theatre (social pattern) by biological patterns.
OK - but would you be happy to say that the theatre (social pattern) has been modified to allow
(potentially) the distribution of intellectual patterns?
> > - Warhol's Campbell's Soup
>
> An inorganic pattern of value created by a biological
> pattern of value directed by an intellectual pattern
> of value to highlight a specific social pattern of
> value....I think :-)
OK :o)
> > - the English language
>
> An intellectual pattern of value, learned through
> social patterns of value (family, school, tv etc.)
I see language as a social pattern, although it is one that is (again) modified by a higher level
for its own purposes.
> > - the process of excretion in a normal adult human
> > being (or: shaving)
>
> A social custom for a biological pattern.
OK.
>
> > - [if you've seen the film] Andie McDowell's
> > decision to sleep with James Spader at the end of
> > 'Sex,
> > Lies and Videotape'
>
> I saw the film a long time ago and can't remember much
> about it!
Discussed it in the 'transformation of love' thread. The reason why I pick on it is because I don't
quite know how to classify it.
Cheers
Sam
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almost exact translation of the Sanskrit word 'dharma', sometimes described as the 'one' of the
Hindus. Can the 'dharma' of the Hindus and the 'virtue' of the Ancient Greeks be identical?" - The
Eudaimonic MoQ says yes. "Lightning hits!"
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